Problem with New Fan....Is it the Right One

Mikel · 28th July 2008, 14:42

Hi All,

I have recently bought a fan and cowl with motor from ebay for my 2001 75 V6 Petrol with air con. Sold as part number PGJ000100.

The fan had no part number on it when it arrived.

It was fitted last Friday by my local garage who also did a re-gas on the air con.

The fan has stared to foul the slam panel when operating as it seems too close, the garage obvioulsy tried some minor mods by giving it a bit of a bash!

The fan has a silver box at about 2 o'clock, does this mean I have a diesel two speed? The new fan is 15+cm deep the old one 13cm,

Can anyone advise about whether I have the right fan and if so is there a mod to make it fit? If not can anyone identify the fan I have?

Getting this far has cost me about £500 and I am wondering about my next move.

I have followed the how to and disassembled the bumper etc. and taken some photos.

Any help gratefully received.

Mike

pondweed · 28th July 2008, 15:03

the later design is going to have a resistor (worth replacing it with a Jules resitor upgrade as part of fitting) but need to find someone with a replacement fan and your car model to find the sizing.

It sounds odd that its an obviously different size... have a look on Keith's sticky on Cooling Fans in the technical section too

Jules · 28th July 2008, 15:15

Well well not seen that before!
Looks like the wrong fan to me(too deep as you say)
What about the diameter?

Resistor fits petrol & diesel (it's relay control box that differs)
I don't recognise the Siemens stamp either on the fan.

Genuine ones do not have this, also Rover assemblies have a yellow label covering the centre of the fan boss. (with a battery symbol on it)

Probably from a BMW car

Wonder why the garage didn't just refuse to fit it instead of bashing it & bodging it!!!

Mikel · 28th July 2008, 15:24

Hi and thanks for the information. I've read Keiths sticky but couldn't see anything specific to cover my problem.

The diameter of the fan is exactly the same.

The housing and fixings are exactly the same.

I think the garage fitted the fan and only noticed it was catching after putting it all back together.

Mike

Mikel · 28th July 2008, 15:31

Hi,

I have attached a picture of the complete new installed fan. Even the cut outs for the aircon are correct etc.

If it were a BMW unit could it be a NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-? with someone fitting a BMW motor and fan to a Rover cowl? But then i would not suppose that a BMW fan is any cheaper.

Very strange

Mike

Mikel · 28th July 2008, 15:44

Hi All,

I have to go out at 5pm but will check the posts later tonight, any comments, hints or help very gratefully received!

Mike

Greeners · 28th July 2008, 16:14

The only other possibility is they've used the wrong surround, as petrol and diesel are different. It shouldn't fit (well it doesn't fit) unless they've tried to force it in.

Also check that the fan blade is fitted correctly to the spindle boss, as it will only go on in one position.

Greeners · 28th July 2008, 16:16

Another thought is the fan has been fitted on the wrong side of the fan surround, again it shouldn'ty fit but you never know.

stocktake · 28th July 2008, 16:35

Hi, I stripped my old fan out on Sunday, It is definately your fan shroud that is too deep, both my old and new shrouds are 13cm.( just measured them) The fact your new one is 15 must be the problem, You are unable to fit the motor to the wrong side of the shroud, you just cannot do it.. Diesel shrouds are a top half only affair IIRC.
My guess is that the shroud is from a 1.8 300w motor that is somewhat slimmer but I do have to confess I have only ever seen one in Keiths sticky. and it is the only variant that i guess may exist.

Very strange indeed, shame your not a bit closer I have a spare shroud (with a once repaired but now very dead three speed motor)

If you have your old shroud it is only a 10 min job to swap over once you have or the garage has stripped it out again. Cannot believe the butchery they have performed to get this to fit.

If you need the physical measurement of the correct fan motor with or without blades, just holler, 2 mins to dig it out.

Edit:...... as T cut says below, no guarantee the fan is correct either

HTH

T-Cut · 28th July 2008, 16:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikel

The fan has stared to foul the slam panel when operating as it seems too close,- - - -

The fan itself looks different/deeper than the standard one, which has a 15/16mm hole in the centre to enable you to hold the motor mounting flange. This fan doesn't appear to use the bayonet method and looks to be mounted on the motor using a different system (??).

TC

28th July 2008, 15:15	#3
Jules This is my second home ZT 260 SE Twilight and 10 other 75 ZT's :O Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Conwy NORTH WALES Posts: 11,094 Thanks: 512 Thanked 1,116 Times in 763 Posts	Well well not seen that before! Looks like the wrong fan to me(too deep as you say) What about the diameter? Resistor fits petrol & diesel (it's relay control box that differs) I don't recognise the Siemens stamp either on the fan. Genuine ones do not have this, also Rover assemblies have a yellow label covering the centre of the fan boss. (with a battery symbol on it) Probably from a BMW car Wonder why the garage didn't just refuse to fit it instead of bashing it & bodging it!!! __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Newbies do now!! 1. Plenum drains..all 3 or 4 year dependent 2. Cooling fan..All speeds functioning 3. Bonnet cable divider block

28th July 2008, 16:14	#7
Greeners Moderator MG-ZTT Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ware, Herts Posts: 19,798 Thanks: 161 Thanked 1,249 Times in 1,036 Posts	The only other possibility is they've used the wrong surround, as petrol and diesel are different. It shouldn't fit (well it doesn't fit) unless they've tried to force it in. Also check that the fan blade is fitted correctly to the spindle boss, as it will only go on in one position. __________________ *David* Impecunity is the mother of ingenuity Useful how to's for common problems Car Of The Month Jan 2014 [SatNav Power Down] [Coolant Level] [SatNav Repair] [Diesel Non Starting] [Paint Codes] [Rear Light Seals] [Reversing Light Switch] [Bleeding Brakes][Sunroof Drain] [Early ZT's][Instrument Pack Diagnostics][ATC Diagnostics]

28th July 2008, 16:16	#8
Greeners Moderator MG-ZTT Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ware, Herts Posts: 19,798 Thanks: 161 Thanked 1,249 Times in 1,036 Posts	Another thought is the fan has been fitted on the wrong side of the fan surround, again it shouldn'ty fit but you never know. __________________ *David* Impecunity is the mother of ingenuity Useful how to's for common problems Car Of The Month Jan 2014 [SatNav Power Down] [Coolant Level] [SatNav Repair] [Diesel Non Starting] [Paint Codes] [Rear Light Seals] [Reversing Light Switch] [Bleeding Brakes][Sunroof Drain] [Early ZT's][Instrument Pack Diagnostics][ATC Diagnostics]

28th July 2008, 16:35	#9
stocktake Vis Whiz Rover 75 2.5 auto Saloon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: LEEDS Posts: 20,603 Thanks: 2,057 Thanked 3,056 Times in 1,621 Posts	Hi, I stripped my old fan out on Sunday, It is definately your fan shroud that is too deep, both my old and new shrouds are 13cm.( just measured them) The fact your new one is 15 must be the problem, You are unable to fit the motor to the wrong side of the shroud, you just cannot do it.. Diesel shrouds are a top half only affair IIRC. My guess is that the shroud is from a 1.8 300w motor that is somewhat slimmer but I do have to confess I have only ever seen one in Keiths sticky. and it is the only variant that i guess may exist. Very strange indeed, shame your not a bit closer I have a spare shroud (with a once repaired but now very dead three speed motor) If you have your old shroud it is only a 10 min job to swap over once you have or the garage has stripped it out again. Cannot believe the butchery they have performed to get this to fit. If you need the physical measurement of the correct fan motor with or without blades, just holler, 2 mins to dig it out. Edit:...... as T cut says below, no guarantee the fan is correct either HTH __________________ Dave... Lost a few stones and a Gall Bladder and part of a bile duct and all of my dignity in the suppository incident Last edited by stocktake; 28th July 2008 at 16:56..

28th July 2008, 15:03	#2
pondweed This is my second home Waiter, Waiter! I seem to have a Roomster in my drive... Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sussex Posts: 3,268 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	the later design is going to have a resistor (worth replacing it with a Jules resitor upgrade as part of fitting) but need to find someone with a replacement fan and your car model to find the sizing. It sounds odd that its an obviously different size... have a look on Keith's sticky on Cooling Fans in the technical section too

28th July 2008, 15:24	#4
Mikel Regular poster Rover 75 Saloon 2.5 Con Se 2001 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: West Dorset Posts: 49 Thanks: 4 Thanked 13 Times in 4 Posts	Hi and thanks for the information. I've read Keiths sticky but couldn't see anything specific to cover my problem. The diameter of the fan is exactly the same. The housing and fixings are exactly the same. I think the garage fitted the fan and only noticed it was catching after putting it all back together. Mike

28th July 2008, 15:44	#6
Mikel Regular poster Rover 75 Saloon 2.5 Con Se 2001 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: West Dorset Posts: 49 Thanks: 4 Thanked 13 Times in 4 Posts	Hi All, I have to go out at 5pm but will check the posts later tonight, any comments, hints or help very gratefully received! Mike