Synergy diesel tuning box.

Tim 75 · 5th January 2012, 19:54

I would like to attach a Synergy diesel tuning box to my Rover 75 CDTi, 135ps variant, I am informed by Synergy that the engine would then be tuned to 160ps. My insurance company, Swinton, have advised me that I would have to pay an additional premium of £900. Synergy advise that some companies do not charge for an increase of up to 25%, they include: Esure, the AA. Elephant, Aviva and Admiral, they also suggest I try Adrian Flux or Chris Knott.

Do any members have a solution which would save me having to change companies? Tim 75.

windrush · 5th January 2012, 20:00

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Originally Posted by Tim 75

I would like to attach a Synergy diesel tuning box to my Rover 75 CDTi, 135ps variant, I am informed by Synergy that the engine would then be tuned to 160ps. My insurance company, Swinton, have advised me that I would have to pay an additional premium of £900. Synergy advise that some companies do not charge for an increase of up to 25%, they include: Esure, the AA. Elephant, Aviva and Admiral, they also suggest I try Adrian Flux or Chris Knott.

Do any members have a solution which would save me having to change companies? Tim 75.

I think that Admiral charged me £6.00 or in that region I cant exactly remember but it was very low

VVC-Geeza · 5th January 2012, 20:04

I can't see any way around the increase with your present company however I can confirm that both Chris Knott and Adrian Flux have a sensible approach to mod's.Why not add the Synergy at renewal time.

blacknwhite · 5th January 2012, 21:16

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Originally Posted by Tim 75

I would like to attach a Synergy diesel tuning box to my Rover 75 CDTi, 135ps variant, I am informed by Synergy that the engine would then be tuned to 160ps. My insurance company, Swinton, have advised me that I would have to pay an additional premium of £900. Synergy advise that some companies do not charge for an increase of up to 25%, they include: Esure, the AA. Elephant, Aviva and Admiral, they also suggest I try Adrian Flux or Chris Knott.

Do any members have a solution which would save me having to change companies? Tim 75.

Buy a "standard" V8 if you really want performance. WAY better performance AND insurance will be half what you've been quoted (I pay 321 for CDT and was quoted 500 for V8). Ok extra running cost in fuel but you can buy a tanker load of fuel for the extra premium you've been quoted just to have an extra 30bhp on a diesel. AND I can guarantee you, you will NOT get 30bhp extra. You'll most likely get 12-15bhp extra.

To me, it's a no brainer, stick with what you have. The 75 diesel wasn't designed to burn rubber, so why try to? If that's what you want, buy a Subaru.

HarryM1BYT · 5th January 2012, 22:15

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Originally Posted by blacknwhite

If that's what you want, buy a Subaru.

Simply because it makes the car much more drivable and you will feel more confident on the road.

blacknwhite · 5th January 2012, 22:35

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Originally Posted by HarryM1BYT

Simply because it makes the car much more drivable and you will feel more confident on the road.

Does that mean a 130bhp is dodgy to drive? You just might, and a big might, get 30 extra bhp on a brand new out the box car. On something a few years old, you'll be lucky to get an extra 15bhp. Rolling roads have proved that since rolling roads were invented. 90% of cars over 3yrs old have already lost at least 30% of their quoted power output. 8-10yr old cars, about half. Example - my step son's 110bhp brand new diesel will leave my "131bhp" fully serviced, remapped and sorted 10yr old for dead.

AngryDog · 5th January 2012, 22:39

Thats like comparing apples and oranges.

You know you can make a car produce any power you want on a rolling road don't you?

What's your stepsons car? Maybe your car is a bit poorly as my zt cdti isn't exactly slow! I'd put it against my mates 150bhp 2.2 vectra and I'd be faster.

Plus your stepsons car could have lower gearing, better power delivery, vnt turbo etc

rotrex · 6th January 2012, 01:43

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Originally Posted by blacknwhite

Does that mean a 130bhp is dodgy to drive? You just might, and a big might, get 30 extra bhp on a brand new out the box car. On something a few years old, you'll be lucky to get an extra 15bhp. Rolling roads have proved that since rolling roads were invented. 90% of cars over 3yrs old have already lost at least 30% of their quoted power output. 8-10yr old cars, about half. Example - my step son's 110bhp brand new diesel will leave my "131bhp" fully serviced, remapped and sorted 10yr old for dead.

hi.
please dont get wrong idea I'm not here to fall out with you but have to say. {having witnessed,been involved in. more hours than I care to try count of rolling road tuning work} that you have somewhat lost touch with reality here. please let me help you get back on track.
any engine that has lost 30% its original bhp is a very sick enging indeed and would not survive a run on the roller to measure its output, as properly done r/r a car is very stressfull indeed on the whole drivetrain and any weakness normaly very quikly exposes itself in a very destructive fashion

. as for lost half its bhp sorry it would be lucky to survive the drive to the rollers, and if it made its apointment the operator would refuse to run it explaining how sick the engine is on first hearing it run for a few seconds.
besides its all very well quoting bhp=good for sales. when in the real world its torque that counts ie a chipped {for want of better words}turbo diesel get a very usefull broad spread hike in torque=ft/lbs of grunt where its usefull for a very small £££ input. making the engine pull much stronger for longer thus making the car a better all round drive.
your sons 110bhp car could have a lot more torque than your 131bhp car for example ?
but I rather suspect it much lighter weight= a much higher PTW ratio= faster car

please what is your sons 110bhp car ? I suspect PSA group HDI 1.6

finaly to stay on topic, a synergy equiped 131 cdt gets a very usefull hike in grunt thoughout the rev range for a very reasonable price imo, never mind what the numbers say. tam.

ednersand · 6th January 2012, 08:58

have just put a synergy on my 116 and Adrian Flux charged me an extra 50 quid on top of the standard premium, i went to them as my then current insurer swiftcover would not insure a moddified car, i told Adrian flux that the tuning box according to Rons site could boost the bhp to 144, they said that would be impossible without extra mods well i'm no expert but as far as i'm concerned if i quote to them the info i have then i'm not hiding anything.

rovexCDTi · 6th January 2012, 11:19

An engine wont lose 30-50% of its power unless totally knackered. Ive seen older engines produce more power than originally claimed even after 10 years. I was able to out drag a Vectra SRI 150 in my Rover 420 GSI turbo despite having a hole in one piston!

The Synergy is more about torque than BHP. Diesels are tuned for fleet use, adequate performanc, best economy and absolutely no smoke. The synergy simple makes them deliver what they should always have done and often increases economy because people dont drive in the way the government tests are performed.

5th January 2012, 19:54	#1
Tim 75 Newbie Rover 75 Saloon Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Huntingdon, Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Synergy diesel tuning box. I would like to attach a Synergy diesel tuning box to my Rover 75 CDTi, 135ps variant, I am informed by Synergy that the engine would then be tuned to 160ps. My insurance company, Swinton, have advised me that I would have to pay an additional premium of £900. Synergy advise that some companies do not charge for an increase of up to 25%, they include: Esure, the AA. Elephant, Aviva and Admiral, they also suggest I try Adrian Flux or Chris Knott. Do any members have a solution which would save me having to change companies? Tim 75.

5th January 2012, 20:04	#3
VVC-Geeza This is my second home 2005 Connoisseur SE 1.8 Turbo,2004 45 1.8 Connoisseur and my beloved 1998 VVC Coupe. Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Derby. Posts: 8,809 Thanks: 2,022 Thanked 1,016 Times in 739 Posts	I can't see any way around the increase with your present company however I can confirm that both Chris Knott and Adrian Flux have a sensible approach to mod's.Why not add the Synergy at renewal time. __________________

5th January 2012, 22:39	#7
AngryDog Posted a thing or two MG ZT CDTi 116+ Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Hull Posts: 1,014 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thats like comparing apples and oranges. You know you can make a car produce any power you want on a rolling road don't you? What's your stepsons car? Maybe your car is a bit poorly as my zt cdti isn't exactly slow! I'd put it against my mates 150bhp 2.2 vectra and I'd be faster. Plus your stepsons car could have lower gearing, better power delivery, vnt turbo etc __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] ZT 116+ - ChipMyCar Remap - Synergy 2

6th January 2012, 08:58	#9
ednersand Avid contributor Rover 75 Saloon Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Swanley Posts: 239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	have just put a synergy on my 116 and Adrian Flux charged me an extra 50 quid on top of the standard premium, i went to them as my then current insurer swiftcover would not insure a moddified car, i told Adrian flux that the tuning box according to Rons site could boost the bhp to 144, they said that would be impossible without extra mods well i'm no expert but as far as i'm concerned if i quote to them the info i have then i'm not hiding anything. __________________ Thanks John 2012 various repairs total £1700 January '13 new battery, 6mth tax, rear brake back plates, new tyre £530 February'13 auto box rebuild £1440 March '13 new tyre £65 brake pads all around £140 spring £95 June '13 spring,track rod end and wishbone bush £240 July '13 under bonnet fuel pump £85

6th January 2012, 11:19	#10
rovexCDTi This is my second home MG ZT+ 135 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Exeter Posts: 3,626 Thanks: 9 Thanked 42 Times in 26 Posts	An engine wont lose 30-50% of its power unless totally knackered. Ive seen older engines produce more power than originally claimed even after 10 years. I was able to out drag a Vectra SRI 150 in my Rover 420 GSI turbo despite having a hole in one piston! The Synergy is more about torque than BHP. Diesels are tuned for fleet use, adequate performanc, best economy and absolutely no smoke. The synergy simple makes them deliver what they should always have done and often increases economy because people dont drive in the way the government tests are performed. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]