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20th June 2022, 11:20 | #91 | |
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That as it may be but you have got Sturgeon saying how much better she would be without us. In the end, you get fed up with her repeating it again and again and therefore say go on your merry way then. |
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20th June 2022, 11:27 | #92 | |
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20th June 2022, 11:44 | #93 | |
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I think that the majority of England would vote for indepence. Labour would campaign against it as they need the SDP votes for a possible majority in the House of Commons. |
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20th June 2022, 14:15 | #94 | |
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For those on faceache I suggest having a read of the Leave side's page, some of the comments are concerning. = guess what, it's a remarkably similar situation! [/QUOTE] Please excuse the snip, the rest of the post was effectively a proxy anti B... rant and there have been enough of those over the last six years! Some will never accept the 'voice of the people' yet still profess to know better. You presume quite wrongly! My posts of that time are still available on here! Anyway, the EU collectively and in accordance with their rules voted en masse and did everything they possibly could, by a variety of dodgy means, to sink that particular ship with all hands! That was possibly the biggest referendum there has ever been considering the numbers involved, together with the EU's visceral hatred on show. Not for the people in the UK, rather the brass neck of the UK trying to determine its own future - arrived at by yet another referendum that was decisive. To quote the EU as a comparator and to sneer at earlier events is neither relevant nor helpful![/QUOTE] Wraymond...if you feel that all members of one union should vote in this referendum on separation, how could you not have wanted the same in another separation referendum? And if you think the EU made it awkward for Britain to leave, do you think London will be all sweetness and light if and when the Scottish 'divorce settlement' is being negotiated?! For the record, I really don't give two hoots about the EU either way. For my family, and in my line of work, Britain's relationship with the EU makes very little difference. I did vote Remain, because the promised benefits of leaving were obviously either grossly inflated or entirely fictitious, but you wouldn't have found me crying afterwards or calling for another vote - like mbev, I prefer to look forward not back. That said, the nonsense spouted by both sides in the run-up to the Brexit referendum, and the ongoing wrangling six years after the vote, are a perfect example of what can we expect if and when Scotland holds another vote to leave the UK - which is why it is an entirely relevant and helpful comparison. Are you seriously claiming otherwise? Last edited by Torqueofthedevil; 20th June 2022 at 14:26.. |
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20th June 2022, 15:00 | #95 | |
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You presume quite wrongly! My posts of that time are still available on here! Anyway, the EU collectively and in accordance with their rules voted en masse and did everything they possibly could, by a variety of dodgy means, to sink that particular ship with all hands! That was possibly the biggest referendum there has ever been considering the numbers involved, together with the EU's visceral hatred on show. Not for the people in the UK, rather the brass neck of the UK trying to determine its own future - arrived at by yet another referendum that was decisive. To quote the EU as a comparator and to sneer at earlier events is neither relevant nor helpful![/QUOTE] Wraymond...if you feel that all members of one union should vote in this referendum on separation, how could you not have wanted the same in another separation referendum? And if you think the EU made it awkward for Britain to leave, do you think London will be all sweetness and light if and when the Scottish 'divorce settlement' is being negotiated?! For the record, I really don't give two hoots about the EU either way. For my family, and in my line of work, Britain's relationship with the EU makes very little difference. I did vote Remain, because the promised benefits of leaving were obviously either grossly inflated or entirely fictitious, but you wouldn't have found me crying afterwards or calling for another vote - like mbev, I prefer to look forward not back. That said, the nonsense spouted by both sides in the run-up to the Brexit referendum, and the ongoing wrangling six years after the vote, are a perfect example of what can we expect if and when Scotland holds another vote to leave the UK - which is why it is an entirely relevant and helpful comparison. Are you seriously claiming otherwise?[/QUOTE] Sorry I don't know what you mean by proxy anti B vote? |
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20th June 2022, 15:23 | #96 |
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I'm not entirely sure either, that was a quotation from Wraymond in post #69 (NB 'rant' not 'vote'). I think he was assuming that I have an axe to grind regarding the B word, whereas all I was doing was pointing out the similarities of the mooted Scottish referendum with the situation leading up to (and, by extrapolation, since) the Brexit one. Whatever one's views on either, it is hard to deny the obvious parallels!
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20th June 2022, 17:59 | #97 |
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20th June 2022, 18:29 | #98 |
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20th June 2022, 18:35 | #99 |
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Acknowledgements to earlier posts, I seem to have over-egged it!
There is a running theme of comparing earlier events with a mooted vote re Scotland. That battle is won and lost. We should get over it! At the very least, comments using one as comparable for the other are invalid. I just don’t see the connection. There is a glaring anomaly: To whit: leaving the EU with the whole of the UK voting because it affects the whole population? Including separate self-governing democratic entities? That against one member of that combination voting to leave this established state by limiting the vote to a tiny minority party, primarily because of a reasonably suspected anti-English aversion? That, in my view, is corrupt. Oh, and just by the way, undemocratic.
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20th June 2022, 18:58 | #100 |
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Foreign policy is the remit of the UK government which is why the decision to be in or out of the EU had to be voted by the whole of the UK. The same as when we voted to join the Common Market.
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