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Old 11th August 2023, 18:38   #1
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Default V6 starter motor puzzle.

Following the recent threads I've decided to give my starter motor (23 years and 90K miles) a new set of contacts. I have run into two problems this afternoon.

The first is that I can only find one fixing bolt, at top left. I presume that the other (Haynes only refers to 2No.) is diametrically opposite, but there isn't room for my geriatric hand and a mirror. Also there won't be room for my hand and a spanner.

The second is that Haynes says to remove the air cleaner mounting plate. Same problem as above, but worse. Does this have to be removed from below? I imagine the answer is 'yes'. Hence, I'm stymied again.

Does anyone have a cunning plan for removing and reinstating the starter motor on a V6?


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Old 11th August 2023, 19:09   #2
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Done the starters on both auto & manual V6s, can't say I had any problems but then I don't have a Haynes

I almost certainly removed the air-cleaner housing, top & lower halves, and the battery housing too.

Use Rimmer's to advise you on the bolts, depending on manual or auto,
https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-GRID009187

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... I can only find one fixing bolt, at top left. I presume that the other (Haynes only refers to 2No.) is diametrically opposite, but there isn't room for my geriatric hand and a mirror. Also there won't be room for my hand and a spanner.
Hello Derek,

Do you have a manual gearbox? If you send me an e-mail address by PM I can send you the MGR instructions which include a useful diagram. You will need a socket and long extension rather than a spanner.
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... Haynes says to remove the air cleaner mounting plate ... Does this have to be removed from below?
No. It looks as if the three bolts are accessed from underneath the support bracket from the offside wing. Again, a socket and suitable extension will probably be necessary.

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Thank you Vitesse and SD100too for your observations.


I should have said that the battery box and air cleaner box are out, albeit with much more effort than I expected. I can see one of the air cleaner platform bolts through the hole in the top of the plate, but I can't even feel the other two. My hands and wrists are too inflexible, aka aged! Also, I don't have an extension, or combination of extensions, to permit the ratchet handle to pass between the starter and the platform. Hence the purpose of my request for thoughts.


Perhaps it will be more obvious after I've had a night's sleep.


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Thank you Vitesse and SD100too for your observations.


I should have said that the battery box and air cleaner box are out, albeit with much more effort than I expected. I can see one of the air cleaner platform bolts through the hole in the top of the plate, but I can't even feel the other two. My hands and wrists are too inflexible, aka aged! Also, I don't have an extension, or combination of extensions, to permit the ratchet handle to pass between the starter and the platform. Hence the purpose of my request for thoughts.


Perhaps it will be more obvious after I've had a night's sleep.
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Also, I don't have an extension, or combination of extensions ...
Hi Derek,

I'd suggest that you estimate the type and length of extension you need and buy one.

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Hello, again. I have succeeded in removing the bolts from the air cleaner shelf, at the cost of a few grazes on my left wrist. Not enough for A&E.



Now I'm stumped by the air duct which connects the shelf to the wing... and beyond. How do I release that? It is inaccessible at the bottom, although it feels flexible when waggling the shelf. Otherwise, it seems I shall be obliged to remount the shelf and endeavour to release that end. It is very tight in the shelf. Should it (the duct) push out of the rubber mount in the shelf?



I have already broken one of the stubs on the bottom of the airbox, but I can araldite that. I'm not sure the duct would be mendable.


Apologies for being rather useless,


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I've just looked at the diagram on Rimmers site. The air duct from the shelf is one long unit, so I'm faced with replacing the shelf and separating the duct therefrom. Rimmers don't have the oval rubber grommet, so I shall have to be careful.....or resort to a flexible sealant when reinstalling, unless a simple solution is offered.



Onwards and upwards?


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Hooray!!!

The cold air duct succumbed to 'controlled' brute force after I refitted the shelf. The starter motor released remarkably easily. I probably frightened it with the oaths and aggression applied earlier.

Thanks for all suggestions. Perhaps the 'Remove cold air duct before releasing shelf' info could be appended to the earlier photo essays by Arctic.

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