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Old 26th July 2017, 12:40   #1
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Default Cdti fan stuck on.

Just pulled up after a quick drive and my cooling fan will not turn off.

I have cycled the aircon on and off with no change.

Coolant level is spot on and has never dropped, no leaks or such.

Temp gauge is sat at exactly halfway, i know the gauges aren't exactly accurate but it hasn't ever had a cooling problem.

I disconnected the battery and obviously that's killed it but as soon as i reconnect the battery the fan kicks into life.
First time it has ever done it.

Regards, James.
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Old 26th July 2017, 12:54   #2
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The problem could be caused by the fan relay I'd be checking their first mate

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Feed from the positive battery terminal (CO192) is supplied to fusible link 4 and the main relay (C0632) on an R wire. Both are located within the engine compartment fuse box. Fusible link 4 (CO574) supplies a constant battery feed to the low and high speed relays housed within the cooling fan assembly (C0019) on a N/U wire.

The main relay (C0576) is controlled by the ECM (C0913) on a W/K wire. When energised, the main relay provides a feed to the cooling fan assembly (C0019) via fuse 4 of the engine compartment fuse box (C0575) on a Y/U wire.

The ECM constantly monitors engine coolant temperature via the ECT sensor. The ECM (C0914) provides a feed to the ECT sensor (C0169) on a K/G wire. As engine coolant temperature rises, the resistance of the sensor falls. By measuring the voltage returned from the ECT sensor (C0169) on a K/B wire, the ECM (C0914) can determine engine coolant temperature.

Engine Running
With the engine running, the cooling fan can operate at either high or low speed, depending on engine coolant temperature. If the ECT sensor registers a temperature of between 98 °C and 104 °C, the ECM (C0913) energises the low fan speed relay within the cooling fan assembly (COO88) on a U wire. The energised low fan speed relay is then able to supply a feed to the cooling fan motor, which is earthed (COO88) on a B wire!

If the ECT sensor registers a temperature of between 105 °C and 112 °C, the ECM (C0913) energises the high fan speed relay within the cooling fan assembly (COO19) on a U/R wire. The energised high fan speed relay is then able to supply a feed to the cooling fan motor, which is earthed (COO88) on a B wire

The ECMswitches both cooling fan relays off if the ECT sensor registers a temperature of 98 °C or lower.

Engine Stopped
If the ECM registers an engine coolant temperature of above 112 °C while the engine is not running, it will energise the main relay within the engine compartment fuse box. The main relay (C0575) is then able to provide the cooling fan high speed relay (C0019) a feed on a Y /U wire. The high speed relay (COO88) is provided an earth path via the ECM (C0913) on a U/R wire. The energised high fan speed relay supplies a feed to the fan speed motor, which is earthed (COO88) on a B wire.

The cooling fan motor is now able to operate at high speed until the ECT sensor registers a temperature of below 112 °C.

Note: The cooling fan will only operate at high speed when the engine is not running.

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Feed from the positive battery terminal (C0192) is supplied to fusible link 4 and the main relay (C0632) on an R wire. Both are located in the engine compartment fuse box. Fusible link 4 (C0574) supplies a constant battery feed to the cooling fan (C0019) on a N/U wire. This feed is supplied to the low, medium, and high fan speed relays located within the cooling fan assembly.

The main relay (C0578) is controlled by the ECM (C0371) on a W/K wire. When energised, the main relay provides a feed to the cooling fan assembly (COO19) via fuse 4 of the engine compartment fuse box (C0575) on a Y/U wire.
The ECM constantly monitors engine coolant temperature via the ECT sensor. The ECM (C0371) provides a feed to the ECT sensor (C0373) on a K/G wire. As engine coolant temperature rises, the resistance of the sensor falls. By measuring the voltage returned from the ECT sensor (C0373) on a K/B wire, the ECM (C0371) can determine engine coolant temperature.

The ECM controls the operation of all three relays according to the signal it receives from the ECT sensor. If the ECT sensor registers an engine coolant temperature of between 96°C and 100°C, it triggers the ECM (C0371) to provide an earth path for the low fan speed relay (C0088) on a U wire. The energised low fan speed relay drives the fan motor at low speed. The cooling fan assembly (C0088) is earthed on a B wire.

If the ECT sensor registers an engine coolant temperature of between 102°C and 106°C, it triggers the ECM (C0371 ) to provide an earth path for the medium fan speed relay (C0088) on a U/Y wire. The energised medium fan speed relay drives the fan motor at medium speed. The cooling fan assembly (C0088) is earthed on a B wire.

If the ECT sensor registers an engine coolant temperature of between 108°C and 112°C, it triggers the ECM (C0371) to provide an earth path for the high fan speed relay (C0019) on a U/R wire. The energised high fan speed relay drives the fan motor at high speed. The cooling fan assembly (C0088) is earthed on a B wire.

Air Conditioning Request
If air conditioning is requested, Edit:- the cooling fans will automatically operate at _low_ speed, even if the coolant temperature is below 96 deg. C.. If an air conditioning request is received by the ECM when the cooling fan is running at low speed (i.e. the engine coolant temperature is between 96 °C and 100 °C) the ECM will increase the fan speed to medium. If the engine coolant temperature rises above 108 °C the cooling fans operate at high speed as described previously.

ATCU Request
If a request is made by the ATCU via the CAN-BUS for more automatic gearbox cooling, the ECM controls the fan speed as described in the 'Air Conditioning Request' section.

M47R
Feed from the positive battery terminal (C0192) is supplied to fusible link 4 and the main relay (C0632) on an R wire. Both are located in the engine compartment fuse box. The main relay (C0576) is controlled by the ECM (C0603) on a B/K wire.
If the ECT sensor registers an engine coolant temperature of between 100°C and 105°C, the ECM (C0331) will send a PWM signal on a U/R wire to the cooling fan (C0019) requesting low fan speed. The PWM converter within the cooling fan assembly then provides a feed to energise the low fan speed relay. This allows a battery feed from fusible link 4 (C0574) to flow across the low fan speed relay (C0019) and power the cooling fan motor and low speed. The cooling fan motor (C0088) is earthed on a B wire.





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Old 26th July 2017, 13:23   #3
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You wouldn't happen to have a diagram for this relay for the M47
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Old 26th July 2017, 14:28   #4
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3 speed diesel fan mate


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Old 26th July 2017, 16:19   #5
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3 speed diesel fan mate


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Well Mick ,forget it ,the true wiring is : (courtesy of MikeNoc)





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Old 26th July 2017, 16:28   #6
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Just pulled up after a quick drive and my cooling fan will not turn off.
James; whilst a relay with welded contacts is a possibility it's much more likely to be a failed PCB. This is not unusual amongst diesel owners and FrenchMike might be able to repair it for you. His system wiring diagram is the correct one.

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