MGR ICE - Part Number & Photo Thread - Page 2

Simon W · 10th February 2007, 01:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich

Part # VUL100330

Made by Lucas for MGR, this harness has a BMW plug at one end for connecting in to the MGR loom, a set of standard ISO plugs for connecting into a Symphony (Alpine) head unit and a smaller set of three Mini-ISO plugs which also connect into the head unit. The blue one is for the CD changer, the yellow one is for the fitted telephone kit and the green one is for low-line navigation. At the far end of this harness is a single plug for connecting to a CD Changer in the glove box.

Rich - I've got the CD changer but no navigation unit and no telephone. Will the above harness VUL100330still be ok to convert the Harmony to a Symphony? - or should I use the much simpler one below?

Rich · 10th February 2007, 06:45

The one you have a picture of there won't allow the use of steering wheel controls or speed related volume due to three missing pins/wires. If you can live with out those, it'll work fine.

That said, you can always populate the missing pins, check out this post - http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...21&postcount=1

raykay · 10th February 2007, 08:28

The three missing cables are for steering wheel controls and telephone mute, easily added as Rich has said.

The speed related control and auto dimming of the display (when the sidelights are turned on) is via the K-Bus, which is wired through the green or blue mini ISO plug on the MGR loom, not so easy to retro fit.

Simon W · 10th February 2007, 13:38

Rich and Ray: The fleabay one (smalle pic) only has three multipin connectors whereas Rimmers' VUL100330 (main pic) has five. So I suspect the fleabay one won't:

a. Hook up to the CD changer
b. Hook up to Sat Nav
c. Hook up to steering wheel controls
d. Control telephone muting
e. Control auto speed/volume

Is all this correct? If so, it's not worth buying the fleabay one, better to get the proper VUL100330 instead.

Your opinions chaps?

Rich · 10th February 2007, 14:33

Confirmed Simon, the one on ebay for a fiver is just a bmw <> iso adaptor providing the basic/standard ISO wiring.

If you don't need a cd player for the symph, it'll do fine provided you patch in the extra three wires yourself.

Cheaper that the £45+ VUL one from Rimmer

Simon W · 10th February 2007, 15:18

Rich - I'm not too keen on buying the cheap fleabay one without knowing which wires need to be added and exactly where they're supposed to go.

As an alternative to spending £40-ish at Rimmers, perhaps I could get a VUL100330 from a breaker on fleabay. Do you know if VUL100330 is present on all cars that had Symphony as standard equipment?

Rich · 10th February 2007, 15:58

It would have to be, yes.

Good thinking Batman, I bet no one has ever been to a rover breakers for a bit of ICE wiring before

raykay · 10th February 2007, 16:03

If you do get the fleabay one, the three missing pins just need connecting from one plug to the corresponding position in the other.

The harness from a car that had a Symphony fitted should be OK, as far as I know, all cars that had it fitted had an overlay harness that connected to the 17 pin BMW plug.

The only difference between that and the MGR aftermarket lead is that the aftermarket lead has the plugs for the fitted telephone and navigation system on it (the two on the part of the loom with a grey label on in the picture) which saves having to stock the various combinations, whereas the factory would fit the relevant lead without unecessary plugs.

Just make sure it has the three mini ISO's and the CD changer plug (in case it isn't an MGR one).

lesret · 30th October 2007, 15:36

I am installing a Symphony radio which has a 10 pin fly lead from the radio for the cd unit.

The Sony CD Changer which has a red and white connectors also a 3 pin female connector.

These Sony connectors in turn used to connect to a 6 pin adaptor which then connected to the old Harmony radio.

Is their a convertor connector which will let me connect the Symphony to a Sony CD changer.

JohnDotCom · 30th October 2007, 17:34

Yes the Connects2 box.
This was fitted as standard on many Tourers. The T69 Sony multi-disk player.
See Connects2 website or most car audio centres.

10th February 2007, 06:45	#12
Rich Posted a thing or two http://Roadca.ms - Letting you see what they see! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Yup Posts: 1,786 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 1 Post	The one you have a picture of there won't allow the use of steering wheel controls or speed related volume due to three missing pins/wires. If you can live with out those, it'll work fine. That said, you can always populate the missing pins, check out this post - http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...21&postcount=1 __________________ https://VehicleGPS.UK http://www.MotorwayCameras.co.uk

10th February 2007, 13:38	#14
Simon W This is my second home Rover 75 2.0 Litre Club Saloon Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: S Posts: 3,280 Thanks: 38 Thanked 50 Times in 47 Posts	Rich and Ray: The fleabay one (smalle pic) only has three multipin connectors whereas Rimmers' VUL100330 (main pic) has five. So I suspect the fleabay one won't: a. Hook up to the CD changer b. Hook up to Sat Nav c. Hook up to steering wheel controls d. Control telephone muting e. Control auto speed/volume Is all this correct? If so, it's not worth buying the fleabay one, better to get the proper VUL100330 instead. Your opinions chaps? Last edited by Simon W; 10th February 2007 at 13:40..

10th February 2007, 14:33	#15
Rich Posted a thing or two http://Roadca.ms - Letting you see what they see! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Yup Posts: 1,786 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 1 Post	Confirmed Simon, the one on ebay for a fiver is just a bmw <> iso adaptor providing the basic/standard ISO wiring. If you don't need a cd player for the symph, it'll do fine provided you patch in the extra three wires yourself. Cheaper that the £45+ VUL one from Rimmer __________________ https://VehicleGPS.UK http://www.MotorwayCameras.co.uk

10th February 2007, 15:18	#16
Simon W This is my second home Rover 75 2.0 Litre Club Saloon Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: S Posts: 3,280 Thanks: 38 Thanked 50 Times in 47 Posts	Rich - I'm not too keen on buying the cheap fleabay one without knowing which wires need to be added and exactly where they're supposed to go. As an alternative to spending £40-ish at Rimmers, perhaps I could get a VUL100330 from a breaker on fleabay. Do you know if VUL100330 is present on all cars that had Symphony as standard equipment? Last edited by Simon W; 10th February 2007 at 15:20..

10th February 2007, 15:58	#17
Rich Posted a thing or two http://Roadca.ms - Letting you see what they see! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Yup Posts: 1,786 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 1 Post	It would have to be, yes. Good thinking Batman, I bet no one has ever been to a rover breakers for a bit of ICE wiring before __________________ https://VehicleGPS.UK http://www.MotorwayCameras.co.uk

10th February 2007, 08:28	#13
raykay I really should get out more....... Now Other Manufacturer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Co. Kerry Posts: 2,786 Thanks: 16 Thanked 310 Times in 283 Posts	The three missing cables are for steering wheel controls and telephone mute, easily added as Rich has said. The speed related control and auto dimming of the display (when the sidelights are turned on) is via the K-Bus, which is wired through the green or blue mini ISO plug on the MGR loom, not so easy to retro fit.

10th February 2007, 16:03	#18
raykay I really should get out more....... Now Other Manufacturer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Co. Kerry Posts: 2,786 Thanks: 16 Thanked 310 Times in 283 Posts	If you do get the fleabay one, the three missing pins just need connecting from one plug to the corresponding position in the other. The harness from a car that had a Symphony fitted should be OK, as far as I know, all cars that had it fitted had an overlay harness that connected to the 17 pin BMW plug. The only difference between that and the MGR aftermarket lead is that the aftermarket lead has the plugs for the fitted telephone and navigation system on it (the two on the part of the loom with a grey label on in the picture) which saves having to stock the various combinations, whereas the factory would fit the relevant lead without unecessary plugs. Just make sure it has the three mini ISO's and the CD changer plug (in case it isn't an MGR one). Last edited by raykay; 10th February 2007 at 16:07..

30th October 2007, 15:36	#19
lesret Newbie Rover 75 1.8T Auto Saloon Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Warrington Cheshire Posts: 28 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Fitting Symphony to a Sony CD Changer I am installing a Symphony radio which has a 10 pin fly lead from the radio for the cd unit. The Sony CD Changer which has a red and white connectors also a 3 pin female connector. These Sony connectors in turn used to connect to a 6 pin adaptor which then connected to the old Harmony radio. Is their a convertor connector which will let me connect the Symphony to a Sony CD changer.

30th October 2007, 17:34	#20
JohnDotCom * Rover 75 FaceLift Tourer CDTi 170BHP Auto ConnSE 2005 Model Starlight Silver Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Abergele Posts: 28,735 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Yes the Connects2 box. This was fitted as standard on many Tourers. The T69 Sony multi-disk player. See Connects2 website or most car audio centres.