EU vote? - Page 7

murphyv310 · 26th May 2016, 22:06

Hi.
Seems like Salmond is back pushing the Scots referendum if we exit the EU.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36393483

So I think he's goading the voters up here to vote stay so another split up the UK vote can be done.
TBH I'm sick of all this now, does he not see the jobs that are gradually going from Scotland, all this uncertainty has never gone away!

wraymond · 26th May 2016, 22:18

He revels in skulduggery, would slice of his nose and ears to spite his face.

Polly · 26th May 2016, 23:09

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Originally Posted by murphyv310

Hi.
Seems like Salmond is back pushing the Scots referendum if we exit the EU.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36393483

So I think he's goading the voters up here to vote stay so another split up the UK vote can be done.
TBH I'm sick of all this now, does he not see the jobs that are gradually going from Scotland, all this uncertainty has never gone away!

I've not seen the SNP ever being up the subject of a second Scotland referendum. It's always one of the other parties who bring up the subject, perhaps hoping to scare the unionist voters into voting to stay. It's always assumed Scotland will vote to stay, But why not ask the same question the other way round, what will happen if Scotland votes leave, but the U.K. as a whole votes to stay?

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Dragrad · 27th May 2016, 01:35

I must admit, that when this issue came to the fore, I was in the "IN" camp. But after looking at the issues and the monies, out of your pockets

I am now out of the EU.

The EU can be seen to falling apart. with member states closing their borders, States turning to the (far) right etc.... 1932 rears it's ugly head again throughout Europe. Better out than in IMO.

This is posted as a member and not as a Moderator

stevenicks · 27th May 2016, 07:01

Why it the Germans, supposedly the power house of Europe have such a big say in what we can and can't do

My poor old dad and all the others who fought for our independence in WW2 will be turning in their graves

Phill_190 · 27th May 2016, 07:09

I will be voting out

I'm not going to justify my choice tho haha

Polly · 27th May 2016, 09:05

If anyone does need a little convincing:
I was browsing the Dft web site for some information on the new Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles, when I stumbled across some statics regarding diesel vehicles. In summary, apparently in 2007 the UK government realised that the test procedure for new vehicles did not corespondent to legal life conditions. Then in 2011 the EU agreed that test procedure should be examined, and then in 2015, they initiated steps to change it. In other words, it takes them 8 years to discuss the problem before they even start to address it, and had it not been for the VW scandal, perhaps another 8 years to find a solution. Of course it might have something to do with the fact that Germany is the main centre of vehicle production.
I notice now, that we are beginning to hear suggestions that we can change the way the EU operates if we stay. I'm afraid we Scots are already wise to that one, because Dave used that tactic during the Scotland vote.
He didn't manage to change very much BEFORE the referendum, so how on earth can he expect to make changes when he no longer has the threat to leave at his disposal.
Perhaps you also noticed on question time last night, that whilst we obey the rules to the letter, and send cash all over the EU to the families of migrant workers, whilst I think it was Spain, just ignored the rules, and decided that a British ex-serviceman's medical care was too expensive, so he had to return to UK

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wraymond · 27th May 2016, 11:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevenicks

Why it the Germans, supposedly the power house of Europe have such a big say in what we can and can't do

My poor old dad and all the others who fought for our independence in WW2 will be turning in their graves

This might have something to do with it:
www.thetimes.co.uk (EU Army)

And in other la-la-land news Jeremy Corbyn says: "(Brexit could put) Parks , beaches and fresh air at risk". I kid you not.

Then there is the scandalous Saatchi & Saatchi poster. You'd think a Jewish firm would have the implications and the market for racial stereotyping pretty well understood. Still, 30 pieces and all that....

The wheels are coming off, methinks.

topman · 27th May 2016, 18:52

I'm not sure which way to vote at the moment, I think if those groups who wish to leave want to win I think they need some information on their plans. At the moment to my mind they've put very little information out there about how it will all work if we leave? Trade deals, people's right to live and work, our realtionship with the EU after leaving etc.

Mike Noc · 27th May 2016, 19:23

That's the elephant in the room for the leave campaigners - everything will have to be negotiated, and they can't give much in the way of hard information until the negotiations have taken place.

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Dragrad This is my second home *None DROWNED** Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Cardigan Posts: 33,339 Thanks: 1,257 Thanked 1,664 Times in 1,081 Posts	I must admit, that when this issue came to the fore, I was in the "IN" camp. But after looking at the issues and the monies, out of your pockets I am now out of the EU. The EU can be seen to falling apart. with member states closing their borders, States turning to the (far) right etc.... 1932 rears it's ugly head again throughout Europe. Better out than in IMO. This is posted as a member and not as a Moderator __________________ Andrew Ich Dien Problem solving is... lateral thinking SEARCH FIRST ...ASK LATER... Last edited by Dragrad; 28th May 2016 at 00:08.. Reason: typo & subsequently quote removed as my post was the first after the quoted post....

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stevenicks This is my second home MG ZT 180 Auto / Rover 75 2.0 Diesel Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Brecon. Posts: 7,465 Thanks: 3,297 Thanked 1,666 Times in 1,264 Posts	Why it the Germans, supposedly the power house of Europe have such a big say in what we can and can't do My poor old dad and all the others who fought for our independence in WW2 will be turning in their graves __________________ "You're Not Laughing Now Are You?" Steve

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topman This is my second home MG ZT-T 190 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Lincolnshire Posts: 5,493 Thanks: 372 Thanked 647 Times in 534 Posts	I'm not sure which way to vote at the moment, I think if those groups who wish to leave want to win I think they need some information on their plans. At the moment to my mind they've put very little information out there about how it will all work if we leave? Trade deals, people's right to live and work, our realtionship with the EU after leaving etc. __________________ Like being creative? http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/toys/dailymail/

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Phill_190 Gets stuck in MG ZT Saloon Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Kent Posts: 653 Thanks: 36 Thanked 97 Times in 74 Posts	I will be voting out I'm not going to justify my choice tho haha

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Polly Posted a thing or two MG ZT 260 SE, ZS120, ZR105 Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Peterhead Posts: 1,375 Thanks: 203 Thanked 350 Times in 241 Posts	If anyone does need a little convincing: I was browsing the Dft web site for some information on the new Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles, when I stumbled across some statics regarding diesel vehicles. In summary, apparently in 2007 the UK government realised that the test procedure for new vehicles did not corespondent to legal life conditions. Then in 2011 the EU agreed that test procedure should be examined, and then in 2015, they initiated steps to change it. In other words, it takes them 8 years to discuss the problem before they even start to address it, and had it not been for the VW scandal, perhaps another 8 years to find a solution. Of course it might have something to do with the fact that Germany is the main centre of vehicle production. I notice now, that we are beginning to hear suggestions that we can change the way the EU operates if we stay. I'm afraid we Scots are already wise to that one, because Dave used that tactic during the Scotland vote. He didn't manage to change very much BEFORE the referendum, so how on earth can he expect to make changes when he no longer has the threat to leave at his disposal. Perhaps you also noticed on question time last night, that whilst we obey the rules to the letter, and send cash all over the EU to the families of migrant workers, whilst I think it was Spain, just ignored the rules, and decided that a British ex-serviceman's medical care was too expensive, so he had to return to UK Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

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Mike Noc This is my second home Rover 75 CDT Manual Connoisseur SE, Rover 75 CDT Automatic Connoisseur SE & a Freelander Td4. Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Hampshire Posts: 11,551 Thanks: 3,470 Thanked 3,119 Times in 2,247 Posts	That's the elephant in the room for the leave campaigners - everything will have to be negotiated, and they can't give much in the way of hard information until the negotiations have taken place.