Mr. Bates v Post Office

[wraymond]

There is so much more to this debacle, I doubt we will ever know the truth.

Part of the problem, and it is prevalent throughout business, is the appointment of unqualified or otherwise unskilled friends and relatives being awarded grandiose placement into positions that give them supposed social position and status.

The meaningless gong will now be returned and the individual will retire from business to a rather quieter life more suitable to their talents. They leave behind suicides, impoverishment and undeserved disgrace. Who pays? The rest of us do in our already outrageous taxes. The interminable lawyers fees will buy many a small country.

[torque2me]

Originally Posted by wraymond

There is so much more to this debacle, I doubt we will ever know the truth.

Part of the problem, and it is prevalent throughout business, is the appointment of unqualified or otherwise unskilled friends and relatives being awarded grandiose placement into positions that give them supposed social position and status.

The meaningless gong will now be returned and the individual will retire from business to a rather quieter life more suitable to their talents. They leave behind suicides, impoverishment and undeserved disgrace. Who pays? The rest of us do in our already outrageous taxes. The interminable lawyers fees will buy many a small country.

As far as I'm aware Ray, the witch is still coining it in with a NHS Trust. Sinecure's have always been the remit of Kings, Queens, Government or Quango's. Difference is there is a hell of a lot more since WW2.
Kev

[torque2me]

Originally Posted by MissMoppet

The PO's main thrust was that "you're the only one" but there was, and maybe still is, a Federation of Sub Postmasters. They should have been collecting complaints and circulating, BUT here's the rub, the Fed was entirely in the pockets of the PO and were not remotely independent. If they had been doing their job then surely this would have been quickly nipped in the bud years before it got out of hand?

I see the press are all for removing her CBE! That's an irrelevant bauble: we want to see her in the dock and then in an appropriate place. Together with her predecessor Adam Crozier, another overpaid CEO, who was probably instrumental in starting this mayhem. And pops up on all sorts of other PLCs.

Can't wait for The Revolution . . .

Spot on. The Fed rep in one of the series is shown going into Fujitsu and seeing the "covert" staff altering the figures. He then found himself being one of the "found to have shortfalls" and thus eliminated from any Federation action. I don't know under what articles the Federation was formed but it sounds like they should have appointed a full time officer who was not a Sub-postmaster.

Totally agree that there should be criminal charges brought against quite a few who work for the Post Office and Fujitsu. In America (and once upon a time in England) this behaviour would have been called conspiracy to defraud.
Kev

[VVC-Geeza]

Originally Posted by stevestrat

Paula Vennells has announced she is handling her CBE back with immediate effect.

If she had a moral compass she would have given it back long ago without any prompting.
It speaks volumes about the woman's true character.

[macafee2]

Alan Bates deserves a CBE?

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/awards-...content/103372

What prompted ITV to make the documentary, it deserves recognition and encouragement to make more such dramas.


macafee2

[The Rovering Member]

Originally Posted by VVC-Geeza

If she had a moral compass she would have given it back long ago without any prompting.
It speaks volumes about the woman's true character.

The days of the sign on the desk reading "The buck stops here" are long gone. The obscene amounts of money doled out to 'skilled' executives these days are more than enough to crush integrity even if it existed in the individual in the first place.

[The Rovering Member]

We just watched the whole run of programmes. Very powerful television & who knew that Paula Vennels is a C of E priest. That's how much industry Mammon is paid these days. Enough that a consecrated person of the cloth can feel comfortable enough to deny knowledge of such wrongdoing being inflicted in their charge. I didn't know they could hold such powerful jobs beside their 'calling'.
I find it fairly appalling and l'm not even religious.

[Arctic]

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Originally Posted by torque2me

As far as I'm aware Ray, the witch is still coining it in with a NHS Trust. Sinecure's have always been the remit of Kings, Queens, Government or Quango's. Difference is there is a hell of a lot more since WW2.
Kev[/QUOTE

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Hi Kevin.
Check her out properly she had her fingers in a lot of pies, Morrisons, Dunelm, NHS, Church, post office, all of which i think she as resigned from now because of this miscarriage of justice, brought on by her incompetence and those working below her for the post office, i also see that lib dem leader Ed Davey, is trying to distance his self from this outrage.

There will be other setting out their stalls now on how to get out of this, which have not even come into the limelight yet.

[torque2me]

Originally Posted by The Rovering Member

We just watched the whole run of programmes. Very powerful television & who knew that Paula Vennels is a C of E priest. That's how much industry Mammon is paid these days. Enough that a consecrated person of the cloth can feel comfortable enough to deny knowledge of such wrongdoing being inflicted in their charge. I didn't know they could hold such powerful jobs beside their 'calling'.
I find it fairly appalling and l'm not even religious.

So much for Christian ethics and values but was she not a "Lay-Preacher?"
Kev

[torque2me]

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Hi Kevin.
Check her out properly she had her fingers in a lot of pies, Morrisons, Dunelm, NHS, Church, post office, all of which i think she as resigned from now because of this miscarriage of justice, brought on by her incompetence and those working below her for the post office, i also see that lib dem leader Ed Davey, is trying to distance his self from this outrage.

There will be other setting out their stalls now on how to get out of this, which have not even come into the limelight yet.

Glad to hear she has "left" the NHS Artic but with the enhanced pay-out (both pension and leaving handshake) from the PO (and probably others from that list) she is certainly not wondering if the State Pension needs to be upped. :-)
Kev