Welcoming them with open arms. - Page 3

suzublu · 27th July 2011, 18:42

You turning into an old cynic Alan?

Roverowner · 27th July 2011, 18:46

What me, never, and definately not grumpy, (you old ***

)

It used to be better before...

No coal in the coal cellar. No-one with a shilling for the meter so after seeing half of M & W everything went black... and it was off to bed. Yeah much better before

suzublu · 27th July 2011, 18:49

Happy days

only worked 3 days a week

what's wrong with that?

VVC-Geeza · 27th July 2011, 18:55

Before the bickering starts i'm off down my local,The Travellers Rest

wraymond · 27th July 2011, 18:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by River Clyde Connie

What about rapists and murderers? Can they be considered non-rapists and non-murders when their crimes eventually take them to jail whereupon they're not raping or murdering?

Come on mate, travellers are travellers.

Is a window cleaner something else when he finishes work and goes home?

Rapists and murderers.
No, of course they can't. The difference is the rapists and murderers have been convicted and, if they are sent to prison (not always the case), they remain as convicted rapists and murderers.

Window cleaners.
More than a bit of tongue in cheek there? Come on, I'm sure you know what I mean!
I live 10 mins away from an infamous group of 'travellers' near Billericay in Essex. The've been there, illegally, for years. They have absolutely no intention of moving on and have used the Human Rights laws to run rings around all attempts to solve a difficult problem. There's no way they can be considered 'travellers' at this late stage, they are determined to remain in their illegal position, defying court rulings. They have been offered alternatives but nothing will satisfy. Incidentally, it was recently discovered that some of them have newly built bungalows in their country of origin! Some vacant, some rented out! The only travelling they've done is to get here!
By the way, when I use the term 'travellers' it is not with a sneer. It is not used as a derogatory slur. It is what they called themselves and continue to do so.

Ros3 · 27th July 2011, 19:06

[QUOTE=wraymond;771486]Rapists and murderers.
No, of course they can't. The difference is the rapists and murderers have been convicted and, if they are sent to prison (not always the case), they remain as convicted rapists and murderers.

Window cleaners.
More than a bit of tongue in cheek there? Come on, I'm sure you know what I mean!
I live 10 mins away from an infamous group of 'travellers' near Billericay in Essex. The've been there, illegally, for years. They have absolutely no intention of moving on and have used the Human Rights laws to run rings around all attempts to solve a difficult problem. There's no way they can be considered 'travellers' at this late stage, they are determined to remain in their illegal position, defying court rulings. They have been offered alternatives but nothing will satisfy. Incidentally, it was recently discovered that some of them have newly built bungalows in their country of origin! Some vacant, some rented out! Then only travelling they've done is to get here!
By the way, when I use the term 'travellers' it is not with a sneer. It is not used as a derogatory slur. It is what they called themselves and continue to do so.[/QUOTE

The term Travellers is not derogatory. But some of the names used on the previous thread were..

wraymond · 27th July 2011, 19:19

[QUOTE=ros3;771493]

Quote:

Originally Posted by wraymond

Rapists and murderers.
No, of course they can't. The difference is the rapists and murderers have been convicted and, if they are sent to prison (not always the case), they remain as convicted rapists and murderers.

Window cleaners.
More than a bit of tongue in cheek there? Come on, I'm sure you know what I mean!
I live 10 mins away from an infamous group of 'travellers' near Billericay in Essex. The've been there, illegally, for years. They have absolutely no intention of moving on and have used the Human Rights laws to run rings around all attempts to solve a difficult problem. There's no way they can be considered 'travellers' at this late stage, they are determined to remain in their illegal position, defying court rulings. They have been offered alternatives but nothing will satisfy. Incidentally, it was recently discovered that some of them have newly built bungalows in their country of origin! Some vacant, some rented out! The only travelling they've done is to get here!
By the way, when I use the term 'travellers' it is not with a sneer. It is not used as a derogatory slur. It is what they called themselves and continue to do so.[/QUOTE

The term Travellers is not derogatory. But some of the names used on the previous thread were..

Yes, you're right they were. And they did no-one any favours. Including the points being made by those that used them. The best way to lose the point is to lose your temper and insult someone.

Roverowner · 27th July 2011, 19:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by suzublu

Happy days

only worked 3 days a week

what's wrong with that?

Just the job mate. I only work every other week now but at the mo I´m on paternal leave. Lifes sweet

Platemaker · 27th July 2011, 19:34

[QUOTE=wraymond;771499]

Quote:

Originally Posted by ros3

Yes, you're right they were. And they did no-one any favours. Including the points being made by those that used them. The best way to lose the point is to lose your temper and insult someone.

They were, I agree.

Reebs · 27th July 2011, 20:18

The difference between the approach of this thread compared to the previous one is like chalk and cheese. I applaud the reasoned discussion, in marked contrast to the previous debate.

I think it just goes to show there are ways and means of getting your point across on a public forum such as this

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Ros3 This is my second home Rover 75 V6 saloon (gone to the Rover garage in the sky), Mazda mx5 Phoenix. Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Cumnock Posts: 3,215 Thanks: 347 Thanked 157 Times in 92 Posts	[QUOTE=wraymond;771486]Rapists and murderers. No, of course they can't. The difference is the rapists and murderers have been convicted and, if they are sent to prison (not always the case), they remain as convicted rapists and murderers. Window cleaners. More than a bit of tongue in cheek there? Come on, I'm sure you know what I mean! I live 10 mins away from an infamous group of 'travellers' near Billericay in Essex. The've been there, illegally, for years. They have absolutely no intention of moving on and have used the Human Rights laws to run rings around all attempts to solve a difficult problem. There's no way they can be considered 'travellers' at this late stage, they are determined to remain in their illegal position, defying court rulings. They have been offered alternatives but nothing will satisfy. Incidentally, it was recently discovered that some of them have newly built bungalows in their country of origin! Some vacant, some rented out! Then only travelling they've done is to get here! By the way, when I use the term 'travellers' it is not with a sneer. It is not used as a derogatory slur. It is what they called themselves and continue to do so.[/QUOTE The term Travellers is not derogatory. But some of the names used on the previous thread were..