poor old Rover.... (Diesel non-starter) - Page 5

Greeners · 7th June 2008, 14:58

Just for those watching, James and I have spoken on the phone and tried a number of things alas with no success. He's going to try a new glow plug relay to at least rule it out.

I've removed the link on my car to the relay and it still starts.

JohnDotCom · 7th June 2008, 15:56

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and according to Rimmers,it's £53.30 inc VAT.

According to June 2008 EPC its only £20.35p + VAT Zeb,
I'd ask them to re check.

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NCL100030

Relay-ignition heater plug £20.35

Greeners · 7th June 2008, 15:57

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Originally Posted by JohnDotCom

According to June 2008 EPC its only £20.35p + VAT Zeb,
I'd ask them to re check.

John

Try NCL100040........

I've tried via Rimmers on line price list...

JohnDotCom · 7th June 2008, 16:00

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Originally Posted by Greeners

John

Try NCL100040........

I've tried via Rimmers on line price list...

That part Number is not on XPart June 2008 EPC Zeb.

Greeners · 7th June 2008, 16:01

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Originally Posted by JohnDotCom

That part Number is not on XPart June 2008 EPC Zeb.

All very strange..........Rimmers says that NCL100030 has been superceeded by NCL100040.....

JohnDotCom · 7th June 2008, 16:03

Edit: Sorry Zeb, Didn't check the notes.
The Part Number has changed on the Relay but still same price as stated.
Also still available on the Part No. ending 30 see Cut & Paste in earlier post.

<James|Rover> · 7th June 2008, 16:55

For the sake of the thread update (& from others possibly learning about this too) David (Greeners) has been helping me enormously via phone & IM (also others too via this Forum I should add); this is really helpful and in great spirit. I appreciate it fellas!

David has just pointed me to a similar case EDIT: Search for "Rover 75 Cdt - Wont Start" from 2005 in 75/ZT forum over on .org and this appears eerily similar to my present experience.

So on to the next move...I think for the sake of a few quid I've got to replace the Glow Relay part first to eliminate that one...but then I could be in the same situation as the other guy in that post and not know what to do next (it was non conclusive in the end which was worrying, or did he just get a fix and not pass on the good news...who knows...). I guess the step after that would be to get in touch with the Doc with regards the ECU; maybe he has some ideas from past experience.
There MUST be an answer to this...a known route to getting it sorted previously by others. Surely it can't be scrappable yet - I shall persevere for the while though.
Appreciate your help to date everyone, James

Greeners · 7th June 2008, 17:24

James

Try a google on NCL100040 as that brings up some intresting posts on .org as well.

keep going, you will get there in the end.

<James|Rover> · 11th June 2008, 17:45

Today I've received the replacement unit from Rimmers (they call it RELAY-IGNITION HEATER PLUG) plugged it in and no joy...the starter turns but the engine still doesn't fire.
The first obvious thing was that the one which they supplied is black; mine was white. But the next thing is that the quantity and order of pins is entirely different, although it still marries up to the socket and connects. Does this sound normal to anyone else? See attached picture for what I mean.
So I am a tad stuck as to what to do next. Do I need to send off the ECU to the doctor next or is there something else first perhaps? My Haynes manual also arrived in the post today so I shall be studying that for clues, but perhaps someone can come up with another idea to try.

MGOracle · 11th June 2008, 18:38

Hi james

It never was and never will be the glow pulg relay. This is just not the cause of any diesel car having consistent starting problems even if it was totally shot.

To save you a shed load of cash, time and hassle, get the car to a recognised Bosch service agent for a flow test to check the pressure.

Have you tried easy start through the EGR valve intake yet?

Your ECU could be shot but to illiminate it we need to know if the car start and run on easystart.

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Greeners Moderator MG-ZTT Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ware, Herts Posts: 19,798 Thanks: 161 Thanked 1,249 Times in 1,036 Posts	Just for those watching, James and I have spoken on the phone and tried a number of things alas with no success. He's going to try a new glow plug relay to at least rule it out. I've removed the link on my car to the relay and it still starts. __________________ *David* Impecunity is the mother of ingenuity Useful how to's for common problems Car Of The Month Jan 2014 [SatNav Power Down] [Coolant Level] [SatNav Repair] [Diesel Non Starting] [Paint Codes] [Rear Light Seals] [Reversing Light Switch] [Bleeding Brakes][Sunroof Drain] [Early ZT's][Instrument Pack Diagnostics][ATC Diagnostics]

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<James\|Rover> Regular poster Jaguar S Type Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Amberley, nr Stroud Posts: 62 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Greeners rox! For the sake of the thread update (& from others possibly learning about this too) David (Greeners) has been helping me enormously via phone & IM (also others too via this Forum I should add); this is really helpful and in great spirit. I appreciate it fellas! David has just pointed me to a similar case EDIT: Search for "Rover 75 Cdt - Wont Start" from 2005 in 75/ZT forum over on .org and this appears eerily similar to my present experience. So on to the next move...I think for the sake of a few quid I've got to replace the Glow Relay part first to eliminate that one...but then I could be in the same situation as the other guy in that post and not know what to do next (it was non conclusive in the end which was worrying, or did he just get a fix and not pass on the good news...who knows...). I guess the step after that would be to get in touch with the Doc with regards the ECU; maybe he has some ideas from past experience. There MUST be an answer to this...a known route to getting it sorted previously by others. Surely it can't be scrappable yet - I shall persevere for the while though. Appreciate your help to date everyone, James Last edited by Simon; 7th June 2008 at 19:01.. Reason: Link removed

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Greeners Moderator MG-ZTT Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ware, Herts Posts: 19,798 Thanks: 161 Thanked 1,249 Times in 1,036 Posts	James Try a google on NCL100040 as that brings up some intresting posts on .org as well. keep going, you will get there in the end. __________________ *David* Impecunity is the mother of ingenuity Useful how to's for common problems Car Of The Month Jan 2014 [SatNav Power Down] [Coolant Level] [SatNav Repair] [Diesel Non Starting] [Paint Codes] [Rear Light Seals] [Reversing Light Switch] [Bleeding Brakes][Sunroof Drain] [Early ZT's][Instrument Pack Diagnostics][ATC Diagnostics]

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JohnDotCom * Rover 75 FaceLift Tourer CDTi 170BHP Auto ConnSE 2005 Model Starlight Silver Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Abergele Posts: 28,735 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Edit: Sorry Zeb, Didn't check the notes. The Part Number has changed on the Relay but still same price as stated. Also still available on the Part No. ending 30 see Cut & Paste in earlier post.

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MGOracle Banned MG ZT CDTi 135+ Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Cardiff Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	Hi james It never was and never will be the glow pulg relay. This is just not the cause of any diesel car having consistent starting problems even if it was totally shot. To save you a shed load of cash, time and hassle, get the car to a recognised Bosch service agent for a flow test to check the pressure. Have you tried easy start through the EGR valve intake yet? Your ECU could be shot but to illiminate it we need to know if the car start and run on easystart.