Would you buy a heavy 4x4 for safety reasons

[Darcydog]

Originally Posted by Dallas

I'm 6ft tall and suffer the same problem but I'm sure I would protect you a lot better than a small person would, if we were to end up in a brawl.




4x4's, SUV's, Vans, trucks etc etc, they are no different, what's your point exactly? 4x4's tend not to travel at high speeds, whereas cars do and are involved in more accidents. I myself would rather be in a 4x4 in a collision, as above when I mention about my young family...

All shapes and sizes of vehicles are involved in accidents, but 4x4's and SUV's do give the occupants more protection.

I would add that having been on more than a few off road courses from Billing (many many times) the Pink Elephant and of course many happy hours on trips onto Salisbury Plain (The best was on the army tank driving course near Warmwell in Dorset. A 4x4 day out I was lucky enough to be invited to. What an experience!!!!) I have actually owned and driven a number of 4x4’s.

And from all of these I would say this.

Having seen these vehicles traverse slopes horizontally such that they seemed to defy gravity, then anyone that repeats the 4x4 are unstable bo11ox has no actual experience of the reality of what these vehicles are designed to be able to do.

[Bean66]

Originally Posted by Dallas

All shapes and sizes of vehicles are involved in accidents, but 4x4's and SUV's do give the occupants more protection.

Of course size does matter, but really only for vehicles of comparable ages of design.



Big old cars are quite bad when they hit smaller but more modern cars, see the fifth gear crash video.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCecdOBCFjI


Big old 4X4's are bad when hit by more modern cars of a similar size. Discovery in another fifth gear crash test.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLLanPwRgio


So if you've got an older 4x4 make sure you crash into an older car. Crash performace has moved on massivly since EuroNCap started.



But clearly if you crash kind of head on or overlapping with two cars of a similar ages and EuroNcap rating the bigger vehicle will tend to come of better.


Bean

[minimutly]

The idiot on Radio 2 was at it again today, asking if it was time to install lower speed limits all over the countryside, traffic calming, you name it.
In reallity all it needs is a standard retest for all drivers every 10 years, sure it would cost us all money, but the reduction in accidents, deaths and hopefully insurance costs might make it worth it?
PS, it would also remove dodering old farts from behind the wheel - or would it have in this case? Does he need a licence?

[KLM]

Nothing wrong with 4X4's in the right place. I have great fun in mine.

Kev.

[Dallas]

Originally Posted by KLM

Nothing wrong with 4X4's in the right place. I have great fubn in mine.

Kev.

This is where SUV's have taken centre stage over the good old 4x4, long gone are the days where folk attack 4x4's for being used for the school run. The same haters are now attacking the SUV driver, you cant really associate SUV's to be used in the countryside as we can the 4x4's.

Today the wife and I were delivered a 2018 Nissan Qashqai as our new courtesy car, its the best thing since sliced bread, and we love it...

[grivas]

Originally Posted by Dallas

I'm 6ft tall and suffer the same problem but I'm sure I would protect you a lot better than a small person would, if we were to end up in a brawl.




4x4's, SUV's, Vans, trucks etc etc, they are no different, what's your point exactly? 4x4's tend not to travel at high speeds, whereas cars do and are involved in more accidents. I myself would rather be in a 4x4 in a collision, as above when I mention about my young family...

All shapes and sizes of vehicles are involved in accidents, but 4x4's and SUV's do give the occupants more protection.

I would have thought my point is obvious, that a monstrosity like a 4x4, a vehicle clearly designed and built to be used off road, has now become another fashion accessory for use on the school run by people who feel the need to be more secure whilst they are driving 1-2 miles to school and back.

[topman]

Originally Posted by Darcydog

Having seen these vehicles traverse slopes horizontally such that they seemed to defy gravity, then anyone that repeats the 4x4 are unstable bo11ox has no actual experience of the reality of what these vehicles are designed to be able to do.

I think it would be best to say they are more unstable under certain circumstances.

[macafee2]

Originally Posted by grivas

in my opinion these so called 4x4s SUVs etc have no place on our busy congested and not fit for purpose roads, drivers choosing to have these, clearly for the no other reason than to compensate for other deficiencies should be taxed heavily, and be able to pass a special driving test, in any case ALL drivers should have to take a mandatory retest every 5 years for their health and safety, and not forgetting training purposes. The driving test in the UK is far too simple now, I mean no motorway training whatever, that is ridiculous.!!

of course non have them for their towing capability!

macafee2

[roverbarmy]

Am I the only one who was impressed with the Kia?

[topman]

Originally Posted by roverbarmy

Am I the only one who was impressed with the Kia?

What kia was it, I couldn't make it out in the pictures.