Cooling fan predicament-advice please

chrislloydie · 27th May 2009, 17:40

After almost suffering engine overheating when stuck in traffic and aircon failing to work when stationery, I tested the cooling fan and found it to be dead on all speeds. Tested using the 'aircon on' test and the trinary switch test. I cannot see resistor through grill so assume its a 3 speed fan.

So, called AA warranty and informed them of problem and they have arranged Nationwide autos to have the car in and investigate. However they have stated that I am not covered for faults caused by 'wear and tear'. I also have a £50 excess!

I then spoke to garage and they informed me that its gonna cost £49 to have the car looked at and diagnosed, a fee they state will NOT be reimbursed by warranty company 9 times out of 10!

So, with little spare cash, I am faced with the possibility of paying out £49 only to be told that the cooling fan isn't covered by my policy as its down to 'wear and tear'!

I have been searching and trying to read up on this 'fan repair bodge' trick but not found much info about it.

Any ideas, tips or suggestions guys?

stocktake · 27th May 2009, 17:47

Picture here

http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...ad.php?t=21885

chrislloydie · 27th May 2009, 17:57

Thanks Stocktake.

Also, does anyone know if this fix sorts the problem if no speeds seem to be working? Or is it only if just the slow speed is dead?

stocktake · 27th May 2009, 18:02

I think it may only repair a slow speed fault not sure though, and its free to try.

If you can find a working s/hand two speed they are a straight swap I am told. If you have a go, cut around the aircon pipes with a hot knife. ( it is obvious when you start to take it apart)

andyw · 27th May 2009, 18:22

If you're strapped for cash I would say try the fix outlined above and if that doesn't work rather than spend £50 on an investigation spend it on a two speed fan from a scrapper. There's enough cars being written off so you should have little difficulty finding one

Andy

Markus · 31st May 2009, 11:28

Hi,

nearly 40Euros for 4 brushes and a few pages from the garage-manual seems to be a lot of money!
http://www.technikline.com/pd-950330...?categoryId=28
You get them for 9,5 Euros and you have to remove the bumper, the headlights and the piece of metal betweenm the bumper and the fan.
The fan has 3 srews you can only open from beind (between the radiator and the fan). Then you have to open the Motor by undoing 3clamps)
Replace the brushes by soldering.
The you may work on the surface with a turning-machine at part where the brushes meet the motor (puh, my english is good to order a beer in a pub...).
I will do the work at a car of a friend of mine in 2 weeks and then I will upload some fotos.

Markus

stocktake · 31st May 2009, 15:51

Got to agree with that, brushes will be of correct specification as well.

Departed · 31st May 2009, 18:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markus

Hi,

nearly 40Euros for 4 brushes and a few pages from the garage-manual seems to be a lot of money!
http://www.technikline.com/pd-950330...?categoryId=28
You get them for 9,5 Euros and you have to remove the bumper, the headlights and the piece of metal betweenm the bumper and the fan.
The fan has 3 srews you can only open from beind (between the radiator and the fan). Then you have to open the Motor by undoing 3clamps)
Replace the brushes by soldering.
The you may work on the surface with a turning-machine at part where the brushes meet the motor (puh, my english is good to order a beer in a pub...).
I will do the work at a car of a friend of mine in 2 weeks and then I will upload some fotos.

Markus

Always remember: your English is much better than my version of your first language. (Polish maybe, 75s are very popular there).

But also remember, getting that sort of work done in England is not so easy. We bred the mehcnical practical skills out of the English and replaced it with Bankers.

Yes I know that there are still people with skill to operate a lathe to skim a commutator, but does anyone English actually know anyone with the skill, or the access to a Lathe?

(PS please don't take this the wrong way. I know there are people out there, they are just few and far between!!

ceedy · 31st May 2009, 19:48

---- know anyone with the skill, or the access to a Lathe? -----

(PS please don't take this the wrong way. I know there are people out there, they are just few and far between!![/quote]

Oh yes!! had one in the workshop for over 35 yrs !!

C ..

Jules · 31st May 2009, 20:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shedhead

Hi Markus,

So reverted to E-bay and ordered these on a Wednesday, delivered on the Saturday morning, Up and running by Saturday Afternoon. Very Good Seller

My fan is working and I believe £35 for a quick fix is better than £650ish for a replecement HG.

Best

We can do new Standard motor (fitted) for £450 or
£375 (fitted) for a Kenlowe which work very well indeed.

27th May 2009, 17:40	#1
chrislloydie Posted a thing or two MG ZT 135 CDTI+ Auto Royal Blue with Synergy 2. 75 Tourer cdti club Se Auto, Royal Blue, synergy 2 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Bancroft, Milton Keynes Posts: 1,906 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Cooling fan predicament-advice please After almost suffering engine overheating when stuck in traffic and aircon failing to work when stationery, I tested the cooling fan and found it to be dead on all speeds. Tested using the 'aircon on' test and the trinary switch test. I cannot see resistor through grill so assume its a 3 speed fan. So, called AA warranty and informed them of problem and they have arranged Nationwide autos to have the car in and investigate. However they have stated that I am not covered for faults caused by 'wear and tear'. I also have a £50 excess! I then spoke to garage and they informed me that its gonna cost £49 to have the car looked at and diagnosed, a fee they state will NOT be reimbursed by warranty company 9 times out of 10! So, with little spare cash, I am faced with the possibility of paying out £49 only to be told that the cooling fan isn't covered by my policy as its down to 'wear and tear'! I have been searching and trying to read up on this 'fan repair bodge' trick but not found much info about it. Any ideas, tips or suggestions guys?

27th May 2009, 17:47	#2
stocktake Vis Whiz Rover 75 2.5 auto Saloon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: LEEDS Posts: 20,602 Thanks: 2,057 Thanked 3,056 Times in 1,621 Posts	Picture here http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...ad.php?t=21885 __________________ Dave... Lost a few stones and a Gall Bladder and part of a bile duct and all of my dignity in the suppository incident

27th May 2009, 18:02	#4
stocktake Vis Whiz Rover 75 2.5 auto Saloon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: LEEDS Posts: 20,602 Thanks: 2,057 Thanked 3,056 Times in 1,621 Posts	I think it may only repair a slow speed fault not sure though, and its free to try. If you can find a working s/hand two speed they are a straight swap I am told. If you have a go, cut around the aircon pipes with a hot knife. ( it is obvious when you start to take it apart) __________________ Dave... Lost a few stones and a Gall Bladder and part of a bile duct and all of my dignity in the suppository incident

31st May 2009, 15:51	#7
stocktake Vis Whiz Rover 75 2.5 auto Saloon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: LEEDS Posts: 20,602 Thanks: 2,057 Thanked 3,056 Times in 1,621 Posts	Got to agree with that, brushes will be of correct specification as well. __________________ Dave... Lost a few stones and a Gall Bladder and part of a bile duct and all of my dignity in the suppository incident

31st May 2009, 19:48	#9
ceedy This is my second home All Trophy Blue ,ZT260#50 , ZT CDTI Auto, ZR105+ and 1.8T Firefrost spoiling the Set . Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Nr Sherborne But in Somerset.. Posts: 6,097 Thanks: 916 Thanked 1,214 Times in 768 Posts	---- know anyone with the skill, or the access to a Lathe? ----- (PS please don't take this the wrong way. I know there are people out there, they are just few and far between!![/quote] Oh yes!! had one in the workshop for over 35 yrs !! C .. __________________ The Three Bloo's Wifey's Zr105, MY CDTI & 260 #50 and Number One sons 1.8T in Firefrost When I were a lad Zero to 142 in 10.25 secs at the Pod on my Blown Norton. 210 Kart Champ in 70's

27th May 2009, 17:57	#3
chrislloydie Posted a thing or two MG ZT 135 CDTI+ Auto Royal Blue with Synergy 2. 75 Tourer cdti club Se Auto, Royal Blue, synergy 2 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Bancroft, Milton Keynes Posts: 1,906 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks Stocktake. Also, does anyone know if this fix sorts the problem if no speeds seem to be working? Or is it only if just the slow speed is dead?

27th May 2009, 18:22	#5
andyw Avid contributor MG ZT CDTi (departed to pastures new) MGTF, MGC, Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Altrincham, Cheshire Posts: 214 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	If you're strapped for cash I would say try the fix outlined above and if that doesn't work rather than spend £50 on an investigation spend it on a two speed fan from a scrapper. There's enough cars being written off so you should have little difficulty finding one Andy

31st May 2009, 11:28	#6
Markus Newbie Rover 75 Saloon CDT 99 Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi, nearly 40Euros for 4 brushes and a few pages from the garage-manual seems to be a lot of money! http://www.technikline.com/pd-950330...?categoryId=28 You get them for 9,5 Euros and you have to remove the bumper, the headlights and the piece of metal betweenm the bumper and the fan. The fan has 3 srews you can only open from beind (between the radiator and the fan). Then you have to open the Motor by undoing 3clamps) Replace the brushes by soldering. The you may work on the surface with a turning-machine at part where the brushes meet the motor (puh, my english is good to order a beer in a pub...). I will do the work at a car of a friend of mine in 2 weeks and then I will upload some fotos. Markus