Bad news for diesel owners?

[alanjay]

A few years ago campaigners pilloried drivers of petrol cars and got a large number to switch to diesel, now another campaign group are targeting diesel drivers.

What I don't understand about is these campaigners, no matter how zealous they are, they are just as reliant on fossil fuels to deliver the essentials in life (food etc.) as the rest of us.

If only they'd provide me with a viable alternative I might listen!

Link to why I'm ranting is below:

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/di...114042784.html

[Number 6]

Originally Posted by alanjay

A few years ago campaigners pilloried drivers of petrol cars and got a large number to switch to diesel, now another campaign group are targeting diesel drivers.

What I don't understand about is these campaigners, no matter how zealous they are, they are just as reliant on fossil fuels to deliver the essentials in life (food etc.) as the rest of us.

If only they'd provide me with a viable alternative I might listen!

Link to why I'm ranting is below:

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/di...114042784.html

Once again a vociferous minority trying to impose their ideals onto the majority
The old adage of he who shouts loudest and longest...etc etc

[arnosvale65]

Yet another unproved reaction. What about Bristol with the second worst traffic in Britain. Doesn't get a mention. Also what about the rest of Europe who have far more diesel cars than we have. What they have in Germany is a system of stickers from red to green. Euro 4 and above have a green sticker and can go anywhere, this applies to trucks too. Yellow stickers, Euro 1-3 are restricted and red stickers, no Euro standard, are banned from town centres. You go to a Defra centre, there are lots of them, pay a small fee and on production of your VC5 or equivalent you get your sticker. It is to slowly get rid of older diesel engines which pollute more.
It works well and stops knee jerk reactions.

[Monaro Pete]

IF we all drove electric, they'd moan about that, because we're pushing the pollution some where else.
IF we all rode around on horses & delivered goods via horse & cart, they'd moan about that, because the horses would f**t too much & cause too much green house gasses.
No matter what we do we would get shafted by the powers that we happen to elect

The only way to go is if we all died & all that was left was animals & vegetation.

[Submarineman]

It bewilders me how minds change at times:

The Government has been ordered to act immediately to comply with European air pollution limits.

The decision by the Supreme Court relates to nitrogen dioxide, largely produced by diesel engines, and it could lead to tight controls on diesel vehicles in Britain's largest cities.

The case was brought against the Environment Secretary by campaign group ClientEarth who argued that cities including London, Birmingham and Leeds would not meet EU pollution limits until 2030 - 20 years after the 2010 deadline.

The panel of five judges unanimously ruled the Government must submit a new air quality plan to the European Commission by the end of the year.

Let's wait and see, at the moment it's all smoke and mirrors - my heart rate will remain stable until something solid comes out of this.

[murphyv310]

One reason I'm NOT voting next week! That will be a first for me!

[myrover2013]

My Reply to these Bampots


You lot are very shallow minded people don't you think, the air that you breath in Britain , does not stay in Britain, the air that we all breath is circulating around the globe, . Dont you lot think that if diesel was that bad we would be alive, we would all be dead, the uk has a very small amount of cars, compared to the rest of the world, who's air we all breath, i have never driven a diesel car in my life, but when i die you lot will say its because of the pollution , even though i would have died of a heart attack, or cancer, or even shot in the streets of Britain , So why don't you lot go and live on a wee island of the Caribbean where there is no pollution , Oh i forgot, you will still be breathing the same air as I Very Dangerous bunch of people. I ****** hope you lot don't stand for parliament the whole country will need to buy new cars, Also i bet you would take a lift in an ambulance if you are sick, oh which by the way runs on diesel.

[topman]

I guess the question is; is nitrogen dioxide an issue in cities? And do we want to do anything about them?

[Number 6]

Originally Posted by topman

I guess the question is; is nitrogen dioxide an issue in cities? And do we want to do anything about them?

As myrover 2013 says the Nitrogen Dioxide does not stay in the city environs it moves about the world.Having said that it is to late to save the planet, it is on the slippery slope of destruction due to all the corporations striving for bigger profits to make the Banks that own them richer.

[Mats]

Fancy a little insight in German politics about Diesels?

In Germany cars are rated based on their emissions (environmental badges are assigned). Every Diesel without a particle filter does not meet the highest emission standard and is therefore not allowed to drive into "environmental zones". Many cities like Berlin, Munich, Leipzig, Hannover, Stuttgart, ... do not allow any vehicle without the highest badge.

Only solution for a Rover 75 or MG ZT diesel is a particle filter retrofit and those do not even work! They simply stop working after a couple of miles. They just cost a huge amount of money. It's ridiculous