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Old 28th November 2021, 15:38   #81
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As a non-lawyer I do not have the forensic knowledge worth chancing my neck. But I wouldn't think so. Considering the hectic atmosphere of the time then, all kinds of things had importance of varying degree and understanding. However there is no doubt that, as mentioned above, the treaty exists at least with regard to French liabilities. Unless, of course, anyone can establish differently. Hasten thee to Wicki I guess.

However, taken together with the historic, or should that be histrionic, repeated action of French lorry drivers and similar with the French fishing fleet, nothing seems out of bounds between 'allies'. Except on our side perhaps. Maybe we were seduced into compliance in 39/45.
Thank you. So, would you say that the first three of the four points in BJ's letter to Macron fall under this particular treaty?

Putting aside the fact that the Frenchies are bad, would you say that putting the head of state to head of state level letter on Twitter was a sincere and wise action or merely intended to appease supporters at home by making suggestions that the other side could not possibly accept?

The reason I am having difficulty, apart from quite possibly being one of the uninitiated, is that I was taught never to put something in the public domain until discussion and agreement with the other side of a proposed negotiation is in place unless it is merely to score points for non-constructive motives.
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Old 28th November 2021, 16:04   #82
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You are trying to blame JF.
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Old 28th November 2021, 17:06   #83
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Now, as well as tearing up that treaty, Macron is the maverick taking the settled EU law into his own hands to suit his election chances.

So Boris is obeying all the treaties he signed? See here to possibly refresh your memory.
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Old 28th November 2021, 17:09   #84
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Thank you. So, would you say that the first three of the four points in BJ's letter to Macron fall under this particular treaty?

Putting aside the fact that the Frenchies are bad, would you say that putting the head of state to head of state level letter on Twitter was a sincere and wise action or merely intended to appease supporters at home by making suggestions that the other side could not possibly accept?

The reason I am having difficulty, apart from quite possibly being one of the uninitiated, is that I was taught never to put something in the public domain until discussion and agreement with the other side of a proposed negotiation is in place unless it is merely to score points for non-constructive motives.
Para1. BJ is rubbish, a bluffer of the first order. I would not trust him with any kind of French letter. His publishing of inter-premier correspondence is crass bad manners and distinctly undiplomatic. If he actually thought what you imply, it merely shows my opinion of him and some of those who support his antics is valid.

Para2. Please tell me which posts of mine give the impression that I think all 'Frenchies' (as you put it), using an unfortunate abbreviation that has cost Yorkshire cricket so much, are bad. I have a 20 strong collection of hats and I will eat them all if you can do that.

Para3. If you took umbrage at 'uninitiated' you might have been unaware that it is not insulting, at least not in this context. Further, my motives are not disguised in any way. HTH.
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Old 28th November 2021, 17:16   #85
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So Boris is obeying all the treaties he signed? See here to possibly refresh your memory.
I didn't say he was. But if you think he is not, see previous post for my opinion. Do you think if one acts badly, then the other can do the same?
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[QUOTE=Torqueofthedevil;2909995]Show me the statistics that prove your point. I won't hold my breath. And anyway, you're missing the point - I don't dispute that some of the immigrants commit crimes, some of which are very serious) Quote

At least you dont dispute that immigrants commit crimes.. For statistics you only have to read 1,what crimes are being commited,2How they are being committed and 3 by whom they are being committed ,

1 Increased Rape and Gang Rape, Child abduction and trafficking, Increase of Drug supply.

2 Violent crimes with the weapon of choice a machete or knife, This was not so prevalent years ago.

3 An increased number of unemployed ethnic minority people who dont want to work and prefer a life of crime because they know there is little or no punishment for what they do
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That neatly covers the need for our already existing and operating system of considering applications from asylum seekers and other worthy people irrespective of race, creed, or colour. Exactly as it should be.

They have to satisfy reasonable security checks to be successful applicants and it covers all legitimate requirements. That's why it is legal. Trying to force acceptance by brandishing infants and knowing our morals will not turn them away is horrific. What's more, it works.
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Para2. Please tell me which posts of mine give the impression that I think all 'Frenchies' (as you put it), using an unfortunate abbreviation that has cost Yorkshire cricket so much, are bad. I have a 20 strong collection of hats and I will eat them all if you can do that.

Para3. If you took umbrage at 'uninitiated' you might have been unaware that it is not insulting, at least not in this context. Further, my motives are not disguised in any way. HTH.

Point 2 - OK it's just Macron?


Point 3 - not at all. No umbrage, just a bit of amusement.
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Old 28th November 2021, 23:33   #89
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Show me the statistics that prove your point. I won't hold my breath. And anyway, you're missing the point - I don't dispute that some of the immigrants commit crimes, some of which are very serious) Quote

At least you dont dispute that immigrants commit crimes.. For statistics you only have to read 1,what crimes are being commited,2How they are being committed and 3 by whom they are being committed ,

1 Increased Rape and Gang Rape, Child abduction and trafficking, Increase of Drug supply.

2 Violent crimes with the weapon of choice a machete or knife, This was not so prevalent years ago.

3 An increased number of unemployed ethnic minority people who dont want to work and prefer a life of crime because they know there is little or no punishment for what they do
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Sorry, that's nowhere near good enough - what I am waiting for is statistics showing 'That the rape and paedophilia that is going on has increased ten fold since the influx of these Illegals entered the country.' [sic]

If I could have it in English, that would be even better!
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It's clearly an emotive subject, balancing a sense of basic human compassion against a fear of people who are different.

I wonder though, if for arguments sake China launched an invasion against Australia and New Zealand and succeeded in taking control. Imagine then them handing power back to the indigenous population and removing the rights to freedom of speech, education, religious worship, voting and land ownerhip to white people. Some of the white people then decide to flee to the UK and Europe, after all, we are safe, have peace within our borders, stable governments, honour and respect human rights, have spoken out against the atrocities being committed in their homeland, who knows perhaps we even sent troops there or bombed them Some flee as families for a better life, others decide to flee here and send money back to their families in Australia or New Zealand as their families are not up for such an arduous journey.

Would we treat them the same or differently as those fleeing from Iran, Yeman, Kurdistan and so on?

A hypothetical question I know, but if they look the same and speak the same as us would we welcome them or turn them back. Would we say you have passed through other countries stay there or tell them if you can afford to pay a trafficker then you don't need to come here

Or would we just blame the French and the EU?
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