Diesel becoming public enemy number 1!!!

Lancpudn · 2nd December 2016, 10:13

This will be interesting, if it goes through. 2025 is well within the lifespan of cars being manufactured now. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-38170794

Darcydog · 2nd December 2016, 10:41

Long overdue in my view. Crazy lunatic "Green" policies skewed peoples buying preference towards diesel - I label them "Green" because as an 'old fashioned environmentalist' - the policies that brought about the loony tax breaks for diesel cars so they became the sensible option for many are in no way anything to do with our environment or environmentalism.

These "Green" policies and agenda's from the Green Taliban are to blame for horrendous pollution on our streets.

These idiots like to threaten anyone that does not tow their line with future "actions" based upon their perceived crimes of being a "Denier".

I would very much like to see those monumental idiots that pushed this lie having to answer for their actions. They lobbied our politicians that CO2 was so bad that the marginally lower CO2 emissions of a diesel engine meant that the widely predicted deaths from lung disease that would result, was a price we had to pay.

What we should have done was enhanced and extended the LPG Powershift Scheme for cars in our Towns and Cities as well as a complete review of how Public Transport works where you often see buses belching out plumes of smoke whilst they transport one or two people !!

Crazy.

murphyv310 · 2nd December 2016, 13:14

The country and the world for that matter is run by the minority, the silent majority don't get a look in.
I have bought a few diesels in my day but surely anyone with a bit of savvy must realise that the particulates (soot) and the Nox gasses are harmful to health.
My daughter has asthma and all sorts of things can trigger it off but one of the more regular things is busses, lorries and older vans that emit copious amounts of smoke.
LPG should have been pushed far greater than it has been, LPG added to the massive amount of recent research in improving petrol engine efficiency would have solved a lot of problems.

The Govt and the so called Greens keep pushing electric cars, don't they understand that to charge the wretched things you need more power stations which we don't have plus of course they consume huge amounts of carbon in manufacture, the battery life is dubious and they will be a money pit when a fault appears or batteries are dud.

The whole transport infrastructure needs a re-think not by environmentalists that worry about the hedgehog getting across the road but by sensible schemes thought out by motorists, businesses, commuters and all that use transport in one way or another.
Pollution can be cut tomorrow by removing speed bumps, telling the kids to walk to school, walk to the shops that are 200 yards down the road and of course using cameras to cut speeding down in town.
OK rant over!!!!!

Darcydog · 2nd December 2016, 14:46

I have a cdti and I love it. Powerful, loads of torque and once warmed up - relatively quiet. Not as quiet as the Mazda 6 2.2cdti I drive regularly but very nice on a long journey - and that is what I do. I rarely do short hops and if we do we go in the Hyundai 1.4 i30 Tourer.

I bought my ZT-T with 97k on the clock and it has now done just under 125K in two and half years. So just under 12,000 miles pa and all but a few are long distance miles. It is only my opinion but such use is very much that for which diesels should be used.

But I have made my mind up - if anything terminal happens to my lovely ZT-T then my next vehicle will be petrol/LPG.

I really do fancy a 2.5 V6 on LPG

coolguy · 2nd December 2016, 16:19

Whatever your view on "green" issues, what everyone constantly ignores is the resources that go into the making of a new car, which I am told equal 80% of the energy it will use in it's lifetime. Old cars are perceived as the enemy of the environment, but in truth they are the greenest!

fega72 · 2nd December 2016, 17:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by murphyv310

Pollution can be cut tomorrow by removing speed bumps, telling the kids to walk to school, walk to the shops that are 200 yards down the road and of course using cameras to cut speeding down in town.
OK rant over!!!!!

Councils urged to redesign speed bumps to cut pollution

FLYER · 2nd December 2016, 17:16

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Originally Posted by fega72

Councils urged to redesign speed bumps to cut pollution

All speed bumps do is provide work for garages and mechanics .

Created to punish the boyracers we all suffer for thier behaviour.

Lancpudn · 2nd December 2016, 17:27

If this pic of London's smog today is anything to go by I think it will happen sooner than 2025. http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...-a3411041.html

Darcydog · 2nd December 2016, 18:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolguy

Whatever your view on "green" issues, what everyone constantly ignores is the resources that go into the making of a new car, which I am told equal 80% of the energy it will use in it's lifetime. Old cars are perceived as the enemy of the environment, but in truth they are the greenest!

Correct! - couple of years ago an American research group called CNW looked at more than the usual C02 emissions figures and uses a "dust-to-dust" calculation of a car's environmental impact, from its creation to its ultimate destruction. Thus CNW takes account of just about everything - research and development, manufacture, cost of scrapping and recycling, fuel used and so on.

The most environmentally friendly vehicle in the USA?

The Jeep Wrangler because it is (like the Land Rover) almost infinitely repairable.

Again - all the "be Green - Buy a new car" nonsense is yet another huge GreenWash Con-trick.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...le-423233.html

macafee2 · 2nd December 2016, 19:12

I have a diesel to tow my caravan. will the 1.8 pull it? I have towed with a 1.8 petrol Carina, no spare power.

Had my cdt 3 years and done about 15 or 16,000 miles. how does the pollution compare to a 30k 2L petrol? My miles are mainly out of town and on motorways or A roads

macafee2

2nd December 2016, 10:13	#1
Lancpudn This is my second home MG ZS EV Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Lancashire Posts: 15,587 Thanks: 4,591 Thanked 3,427 Times in 2,565 Posts	Diesel becoming public enemy number 1!!! This will be interesting, if it goes through. 2025 is well within the lifespan of cars being manufactured now. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-38170794 __________________ Blessed are the tea makers. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3b...auto-2000_auto

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murphyv310 This is my second home Hyundai i10 998cc Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Kilmarnock Posts: 6,602 Thanks: 2,088 Thanked 2,298 Times in 1,349 Posts	The country and the world for that matter is run by the minority, the silent majority don't get a look in. I have bought a few diesels in my day but surely anyone with a bit of savvy must realise that the particulates (soot) and the Nox gasses are harmful to health. My daughter has asthma and all sorts of things can trigger it off but one of the more regular things is busses, lorries and older vans that emit copious amounts of smoke. LPG should have been pushed far greater than it has been, LPG added to the massive amount of recent research in improving petrol engine efficiency would have solved a lot of problems. The Govt and the so called Greens keep pushing electric cars, don't they understand that to charge the wretched things you need more power stations which we don't have plus of course they consume huge amounts of carbon in manufacture, the battery life is dubious and they will be a money pit when a fault appears or batteries are dud. The whole transport infrastructure needs a re-think not by environmentalists that worry about the hedgehog getting across the road but by sensible schemes thought out by motorists, businesses, commuters and all that use transport in one way or another. Pollution can be cut tomorrow by removing speed bumps, telling the kids to walk to school, walk to the shops that are 200 yards down the road and of course using cameras to cut speeding down in town. OK rant over!!!!! __________________ Cheers from Trevor MM0KJJ

2nd December 2016, 17:27	#8
Lancpudn This is my second home MG ZS EV Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Lancashire Posts: 15,587 Thanks: 4,591 Thanked 3,427 Times in 2,565 Posts	If this pic of London's smog today is anything to go by I think it will happen sooner than 2025. http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...-a3411041.html __________________ Blessed are the tea makers. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3b...auto-2000_auto

2nd December 2016, 10:41	#2
Darcydog This is my second home Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 5,428 Thanks: 3,123 Thanked 3,170 Times in 2,096 Posts	Long overdue in my view. Crazy lunatic "Green" policies skewed peoples buying preference towards diesel - I label them "Green" because as an 'old fashioned environmentalist' - the policies that brought about the loony tax breaks for diesel cars so they became the sensible option for many are in no way anything to do with our environment or environmentalism. These "Green" policies and agenda's from the Green Taliban are to blame for horrendous pollution on our streets. These idiots like to threaten anyone that does not tow their line with future "actions" based upon their perceived crimes of being a "Denier". I would very much like to see those monumental idiots that pushed this lie having to answer for their actions. They lobbied our politicians that CO2 was so bad that the marginally lower CO2 emissions of a diesel engine meant that the widely predicted deaths from lung disease that would result, was a price we had to pay. What we should have done was enhanced and extended the LPG Powershift Scheme for cars in our Towns and Cities as well as a complete review of how Public Transport works where you often see buses belching out plumes of smoke whilst they transport one or two people !! Crazy.

2nd December 2016, 14:46	#4
Darcydog This is my second home Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 5,428 Thanks: 3,123 Thanked 3,170 Times in 2,096 Posts	I have a cdti and I love it. Powerful, loads of torque and once warmed up - relatively quiet. Not as quiet as the Mazda 6 2.2cdti I drive regularly but very nice on a long journey - and that is what I do. I rarely do short hops and if we do we go in the Hyundai 1.4 i30 Tourer. I bought my ZT-T with 97k on the clock and it has now done just under 125K in two and half years. So just under 12,000 miles pa and all but a few are long distance miles. It is only my opinion but such use is very much that for which diesels should be used. But I have made my mind up - if anything terminal happens to my lovely ZT-T then my next vehicle will be petrol/LPG. I really do fancy a 2.5 V6 on LPG

2nd December 2016, 16:19	#5
coolguy Coolguy Rover 75 CDT Tourer Auto, Rover 75 2.0 Connoisseur Auto, MG ZT 2.5 Auto and MG ZT Cdti Auto (Monogra Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Finedon Posts: 1,897 Thanks: 933 Thanked 638 Times in 430 Posts	Whatever your view on "green" issues, what everyone constantly ignores is the resources that go into the making of a new car, which I am told equal 80% of the energy it will use in it's lifetime. Old cars are perceived as the enemy of the environment, but in truth they are the greenest!

2nd December 2016, 19:12	#10
macafee2 This is my second home Rover 75 Saloon & Tourer Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Lincoln Posts: 14,928 Thanks: 1,630 Thanked 3,032 Times in 2,181 Posts	I have a diesel to tow my caravan. will the 1.8 pull it? I have towed with a 1.8 petrol Carina, no spare power. Had my cdt 3 years and done about 15 or 16,000 miles. how does the pollution compare to a 30k 2L petrol? My miles are mainly out of town and on motorways or A roads macafee2