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Old 2nd October 2019, 15:49   #21
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On the underlying topic the statistics are far from credible and are based on the negative viewpoints of commentators who see themselves as saviours.

Targets for any remedy are nations - not individuals - and they will not change to any meaningful degree, nor even listen.

On the performance of the speaker in support of radical change it was a moving and impressive delivery. If her words were her own she is a present and future field leader but I suspect her youth and passion has been harnessed by her elders. Even so, a remarkable and creditworthy performance.
And that is what it was A PERFORMANCE
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Many find Greta's performance ........................................

Greta is an exponent of Swedish society in general, which seems fully intent on committing collective suicide. A remarkable achievement for a country that was once vikings.

In years to come, we might well start measuring insanity in Thunbergs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8455KEDitpU
As to how the Swedes see the situation:
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/1...es-are-fleeing



Unbelievable, but the ruling elite is running things just for themselves.
There is no justice, just "Just us!" as per Gerald Celente.
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Unbelievable, but the ruling elite is running things just for themselves.
There is no justice, just "Just us!" as per Gerald Celente.


Always been the same...
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I can't help noticing that their cause has now been conflated, or at least loosely associated, with a 'new age' diagnosis of a behavioural abnormality.

I think it might just have the reverse effect for both messages to suffer - both the environment and the condition. That, just in my view, is an unnecessary and unhelpful twist. In fact, a cynical twist. "The Environment" has become a hive of wannabees (sic) drawn from all quarters - some not so altruistic or desirable.
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The Swedish situation is a "it seemed like a good idea at the time, guvnor" idea, or even"what could possibly go wrong" at work. Mind you our time is coming fast. Chris.S.
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As to how the Swedes see the situation:
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/1...es-are-fleeing



Unbelievable, but the ruling elite is running things just for themselves.
There is no justice, just "Just us!" as per Gerald Celente.

Maybe I'm missing something. The article quoted seems to be about the supposed beginnings of a society to descend to a level of crime that long-term native residents are fleeing from. How does that apply to Greta Thunberg? Immigration and gangs are not related to climate.

If the establishment is running the country for its own benefit why would they want to inflict terrible crime causing population dispersal? Seems counter-productive. A settled population of several generations would be most beneficial and produce the desired growth and production surely?
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And these guys want to tell us how to live our lives?

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1...759872/video/1
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Wow. That quote of Watson sounds like a modification of something attributed to Goebbels.
'If you repeat a lie enough it becomes the truth' or words to that effect.
The main driver of climate change is the Sun. The sheer ignorance of anyone who states 'we've had the warmest winter since records began. Therefore we have global warming' is depressing. There have been over forty scare narratives by the media in the last fifty years. Global cooling to global warming to climate change. Peak oil, peak population, mass starvation, various doombug scenarios, yah de yah. Michael Moore made a fortune out of scary predictions which all proved false.
We'd need 4.5 billion years of climate records to make reasonable predictions and these false prophets of doom are asking us to believe their less than 200 years of climate change records gives an accurate answer. They then confuse correlation with causality and extrapolate in a completely unscientific way. Follow the money which buys their 'research'
We've had ice ages lasting 100,000 years. We've had desert temperatures in Northern Europe, all long before industrialisation.
I'd give my full support however to the need to look at reducing pollution and toxic waste and moving in an increasingly sustainable direction. Manipulating children to deliver a distorted message is counterproductive.
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Bring back 5 star leaded petrol, then we can run higher boost pressures and more ignition advance and with the extra power we can get to our destination faster and save the planet that way. Simples.
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We are up against people who have no idea what is going on. Unfortunately the majority of people does not necessarily constitute people with common sense.
This is clearly evident here:
https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/sta...289664/video/1

What is really going on? Lobotomized zombies?
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