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23rd May 2020, 19:49 | #21 |
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Just read the comments quickly, I think the surcharge has got lost in translation.
Anyone coming from a commonwealth or non-EU country on a residence visa has to pay £400 per year per person for a NHS surcharge, this will be every year until Indefinite Leave to remain is achieved-this could take upto 10 years, but is usually 5. So this will be around £3000 over and above the visa etc fees which will be a further £6000 or so. For a family of 4 this mounts up quite quickly. Taking into consideration that during those 5-10 years, they will also be paying NI, income tax and VAT anyway. Many of these people are on tier 2 or 5, skilled workers visa's, given to people that are employed from outside the EU where a UK (and EU) worker has not met the requirements. The plan is to exclude NHS applicant; nurses, Dr's dentists, physios etc to encourage them to apply. Much like staff discounts are given in many industries. Another lesser known fact in the same vein, is that UK citizens living and working overseas, expats I suppose, are also required to pay a NHS surcharge when visiting the Uk, if they have been back here for less than 6 months. This would and does include UK born citizens.
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If you mean a bit like a company vehicle for a Ford Maindealer Salesman - HMCR class that as payment in kind which is subject to Income Tax ain't it!! IMHO that's still a dumb deal for the country and the NHS - just look at the numbers in my little scenario (not actuals but fair guesses - and on the low side I may be so bold) - then I'd hope you'll agree it's financial lunacy. |
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I worked for 38ish years paying tax, I was born in the UK, am I any more entitled to NHS care then the 17 year old UK born teenager injured on his first day of work? Neither of us work for the NHS! Using your example I still do not think the foreign NHS worked should pay, can we agree to disagree? macafee2 |
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Covid-19 apart, we see the NHS can barely keep up as it is, adding deliberate funding exceptions whilst acknowledging the NHS is already treated too loosely as 'free to everyone' and equally abused by some (a significant number) from outside the system who have/will never contribute just makes it worse. It's one of the few great 'socialist' ideas this country has adopted but it was never intended to deal with the spectrum and shear number of ills that it contends with today - after just 75 years we're killing it stone dead by remaining a soft option for a path to good health that appears to some as FREE, paid for by somebody else (and I'm not referreing to the foreign NHS worker that's been the subject of this thread!) Let's agree to disagree... Last edited by rab60bit; 23rd May 2020 at 22:44.. |
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Forward to your post 23. Let's just consider the surcharge as a modest 'top-up' for someone joining 'the Club' later than their contemporaries. You're a long standing Club member so the surcharge wouldn't apply.
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If you are trying to suggest that NHS treatment FOC at point of delivery, the whole premis of the NHS isn't possible, then I'd suggest you take another look at public finance. The truth is that successive governments would rather spend tax-payers money on the 'defence' budget and run down the NHS. And that this, up until now has been supported by the active electorate and accepted by the inactive electorate. It takes an active electorate with a will to make things happen any differently. The truth is, it is possible. Just that there's a lack of will to support it. Perhaps in future things might change...
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