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Old 14th October 2019, 16:39   #61
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A bicycle uses the infra structure created for cars, and the wear and tear is probably not measurable.
If you look up the cost of creating one mile of road, you are looking in the millions, but you can go and do that exercise.
YOU might not agree that the car owners have to pay for that, but I can assure you non car owners will not pay for your privilege of driving your car!
As for the wear and tear on the roads, a bicycle will be absolutely non consequential for a road. A 10 ton truck most certainly would not.

A fixed high insurance premium is not going to work. Why would you as, say, a pensioner pay a high insurance for your EV if it spends most of it's time in the garage?. If you have a petrol driven car, it would costs you far less, if you don't drive. I would choose the petrol version in that case. Wouldn't you?

What we are coming back to is this.
How are you going to get people to pay proportionally for using the road in EVs!
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Old 14th October 2019, 17:11   #62
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The fact is the road structure has to be maintained and increased. How are you going to finance that? if you can't tax EVs for their use of roads.
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Old 14th October 2019, 18:47   #63
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How are you going to differentiate between domestic use of electricity and the charging of an EV?.
I suggest you re-read the post you quote. I am confident your question need not have been posed.
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Old 15th October 2019, 17:35   #64
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Have I missed something here? EV must pay to charge up and sure the Government will have a proportion of that as a tax(duty) The charging points are at "filling(charging stations)" money or debit Card payment. No way have domestic charging, we don't fill cars up at home for safety reasons and same for EV. Of course you must pay towards the road infrastructure. No special cases. EV's surely are as polluting as other vehicles, plenty of man made materials in them for starters. Chris.S.
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Old 15th October 2019, 18:26   #65
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'Filling' the car with electric charge, empty to full, is not possible in the same time span as with liquid fuel.

The period of non-use is usually overnight to ensure a full charge for the following day so lengthy charging periods on standard mains will apply. Makes sense to use that period because the demand, and therefore the load, on the national grid is vastly reduced.

With the advent of smart meters, and it's easy to believe this was one of the reasons for the heavy advertising of the meters, it is easy to have different rates of duty applied remotely.

As mentioned earlier the charge could draw standard 240v mains current with a dedicated mini-meter in the socket so the amount of current drawn for that purpose could only be for the vehicle concerned and no other appliance.

Therefore the overall bill could be adjusted on a domestic account rebate basis. With successive budgets changing the tax levy it would be a simple way of maintaining tax receipts on vehicles. The State would finally have total control of population mobility! Dystopian or what.
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Thanks for that Ray, just about confirms my theory that Electric cars will a bit restricted as far as customers. Middle classes, Govt. Officials and the rich. Chris.S.
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Old 17th October 2019, 13:55   #69
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8 'Activists' were arrested. I bet no charges will be made.
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Old 17th October 2019, 14:34   #70
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Barbed wire area needed in Hyde Park, all activists can protest inside as long as they want, however, no key available to let them out and rain shelters not to be provided.

Alternatively, follow the example of other countries, read the Riot Act, invoke "aid to the civil power" and bring in the military.

They have a right to peaceful protest but we have the right to pass and repass on the Queen's highway.
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