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Old 22nd July 2021, 17:39   #11
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It's the same story at the company I work for. They put out slide shows and communication mails saying that they want people to "challenge" anything that is wrong. In the past if one put one's head above the parapet, the company sniper would get you (dismissal). Now in to-days "enlightenment" I thought I would put in a "challenge" with regard to the lies and deceit by managers to the site director. My boss came back with a message not to do that again or dire events would happen (i.e. the company sniper would be given the contract)!

I've no doubt Kent and Essex Chief Constables will be honoured after another botched outcome with the can kicked not only into the long grass but probably onto another planet

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Old 23rd July 2021, 08:08   #12
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Almost one month ago I took my dad into the Hospital as his legs were a bit swollen and covered in Red blotches, on arrival at A+E the nurse commented that he was a bit jaundiced and distended in the abdominal area. He was then put on a ward for treatment and we heard nothing for days, no phone calls or contact of any kind from the Hospital to let us know what was happening. I complained to the patient liaison people and they were great, we found out that he'd been for numerous scans and tests but they didn't yet have an answer. On the seventh day we were told he had a blood clot that was holding blood flow to the liver and kidney area but, he was coming home the day after with blood thinning injections. I went to collect him and was shocked, his feet and lower legs were badly swollen and he could hardly walk, no explanation was offered as to why he was like that. My sister and mother went to the ward later that day to collect his medication, a doctor took my mother to one side and told her that there was a tumour in his liver that was pushing on the blood supply. In the following week at home he was going downhill and not eating anything, his abdominal area was just getting larger and his skin and eyes went very Yellow, we saw it with my brother last year so we knew what was happening.
There was an appointment the week after and I took him for that, the doctor told him that he has the tumour and they weren't going to do anything about it other than give him care. I questioned why he was sent home with obvious fluid retention and no medication to help with that, he was then prescribed water tablets over two weeks after presenting with that very problem. The water tablets did nothing and he was just getting more Yellow and fading away without eating, fluid was restricted to two litres per day in this heat. I phoned the liver team last Thursday to tell them that the water tablets were doing nothing and he needed an abdominal drain. The response was that they would give it another couple of days and then make a decision on the draining of the fluid build up. We waited Friday, Saturday, Sunday and on Monday this week I phoned again to say the issue was urgent, I was told to take him in on Tuesday morning and there would be an intervention to drain the fluid. On Tuesday afternoon it hadn't been started and the A+E doctor wasn't interested in getting the process started, I said the if they weren't going to do the draining I'd take him home, at that point it was inferred that he wasn't mentally able to make a choice to go home and, it was further inferred that if I tried to take him home they would section him under the mental health act to stop him leaving, all of this and still no treatment for the fluid build up. I told my mother and she said he must be brought home, if he's to die it'll be in his own bed. I took my mother to collect him on Wednesday morning and the doctor refused to release him, still not being treated but being stopped from leaving, the Hospital security were called to stop us entering the ward to see him and it escalated from there, a Hospital manager and ward Matron came to speak to us, they entered the ward and five minutes later came out to tell us his draining would be started at lunchtime, it didn't happen. I'm an SIA badge holder and the Hospital was pitting me against people I've worked with, the whole incident was recorded and it'll form part of legal action against the Hospital in the coming months. The treatment promised to my dad still hadn't been done yesterday and I went back alone to the Hospital, I didn't go to the ward, I went to the security office to voice my concerns about being put in the position I was in. I told them that my dad wasn't being treated and there was no legal reason for him to be there, I also said that I was ready to take my dad home and that there was a plan in place to remove him from his forced detention. The security manager was shocked at what I was telling him and, he went to the ward to check my story out, he asked them why they kept telling lies about my dad getting treatment and, he was told that there wasn't any legal reason for my dad being kept there. It was at that point when he told them that his team were not getting involved when we came to take him home, he apologised to me and told me to do what was best for my dad. This was yesterday morning, I'm told that my dads care was taken from that team yesterday morning and by late afternoon the draining process had been started. I don't have positive confirmation of that as yet but I'm fairly certain it's been started after weeks of lies and poor treatment. My dad is unwell and we understand he hasn't got a great deal of time left but, he has enough time to enjoy with the treatment plan being carried out as it should be, he might need the fluid draining fairly often but it wasn't a reason to hold him hostage until he was too weak to treat.

Update, my dad had the fluid drained last night, they removed a pint less than two gallons! no wonder he couldn't function or eat. I brought him home this afternoon and the difference is vast.

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Old 23rd July 2021, 21:25   #13
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It is very easy to knock the NHS and I can understand why we do.

I had a friend from the USA over a couple of years ago to stay for a few weeks, while he was with us he cut his hand quite badly. I said I would run him down to the Casualty department to get it looked at, he declined and said he would be OK, anyway after several hours the bleeding had not stopped. I said again I would take him down to Casualty and he said he would but really cant afford it and could I lend him the money.

I explained to him that it was free and he was amazed and didn't believe me, anyway we popped down, had a 30 minute wait and they put a couple of stiches in it for him and they gave him a Tetanus jab and some pain killers. When we got back he could not believe it was free, he reckoned in the US that might have cost him nearly a Thousand Dollars. Apparently all hospitals in the US will ask for your credit card information before treating minor injuries.
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Old 23rd July 2021, 22:59   #14
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Update, my dad had the fluid drained last night, they removed a pint less than two gallons! no wonder he couldn't function or eat. I brought him home this afternoon and the difference is vast.
Well done Mike, you done what you had to do, and now your father is home with you and family.

When my father went into hospital in 2017 due to his legs had swollen so much that his skin was splitting, his skin was red yellow and purple. He had trouble walking, eating and talking, the heart specialist told me that my father's heart output was only 5% (no one can survive with 5%), he said all his organs were shutting down, and his water level was up to his neck.

The specialist said we don't understand how your father is still alive, that he should already be dead. The specialist said that my father wouldn't survive the week, and that they wouldn't resuscitate him if he had another heart attack.

I refused to believe all the doctors, I told them that my father is a machine, he will prove you all wrong. I told them straight, help him, he's a fighter.

They drained off the water, pumped all sorts of meds into him and by the end of the week he was a new man. They kept him in hospital for two months, the doctors and nurses were wonderful, once they saw the change in his health, they all done a marvellous job. None of them could believe it, they said my father had rewritten the text books.

When the covid pandemic hit the UK and changed all the NHS medical services as we knew them, many heart disease patients had their medications changed to stop them from having to come into the practice's for routine fortnightly blood tests, sadly this aided towards my fathers death, plus my father had made the silly decision to reduce his meds without us, or the docs knowing (he hated taking pills0.

My father lived for 3 more happy years though Mike after his hospital stay, they got his heart output to 35%, still not good, but good enough.

All the best to you all, tell your father that you love him.
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Old 24th July 2021, 16:04   #15
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tell your father that you love him.
Best advice by a mile on this thread, none of us ever know how long we can say/hear that.
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Old 24th July 2021, 16:23   #16
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Best advice by a mile on this thread, none of us ever know how long we can say/hear that.
Very true. My father was a fit man, cycled into town for his newspaper every day, walked the dogs every day, he had a major stroke pottering in the garden and never regained consciousness.
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Old 24th July 2021, 17:58   #17
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Earlier this year I saw the inside of (and some of the workings) of a local main hospital in helping out an elderly neighbour with outpatients visits and co-ordination of treatments etc. True, C-19 has distorted our healthcare and I can only praise the front-line staff I met for their dedication and hard work BUT......the NHS is not really underfunded it is however bloated/mismanaged and inefficient but to boot it's trying to cope with a top heavy list of customers who are essentially getting FOC treatments but without the lifelong contributions the system is designed to provide in order to keep it going properly.
The infrastructure (even under normal circumstances) is simply no longer in place to cope with the 'unpredicted (and I'm now talking pre-C-19)' demands placed upon it - if you don't believe me just drop into your local A&E and straw poll who is occupying most of the seats and utilising the facilities....MG John's comments illustrates why.
Yes, the NHS is comparatively far far better than what many countries can offer (and it's gratis the way our 'professionals run it) so the cost of an air fare and a stay with relatives is something a sick (not necessarily seriously ill) incomer would take a no brainer decision on....and as a final comment, for many of us UK citizens who by right do deserve access to the NHS - I've always maintained that if something is percieved as 'free' then pound to a penny it isn't valued nor respected.
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Old 26th July 2021, 07:47   #18
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Old 26th July 2021, 18:26   #19
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We had a similar issue with my Mother when she was 77, admitted to hospital with a heart problem, doctors told us to prepare for the worst and we should consider ‘do not resuscitate’

To which my brother replied ‘She has worked all her life and not had anything from the nhs, if she needs resuscitating you had better get on with it’

Mum came out of hospital and lived another healthy 11 years before passing away peacefully due to her age.

Doctors are not always right…
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Guess my family must be unique.
Both my parents received fantastic treatment from NHS Ayrshire and Arran. Both sadly passed away in hospital but did so with the dignity and respect one would expect.
My daughter had a number of serious complications after the birth of our granddaughter likewise the medical staff at Hull Royal Infirmary was outstanding.

I know it's not always perfect, indeed sometimes it goes wrong but the experience we have had has been second to none.
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