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Go for a diesel then no over heating problem then, upgrade it for more power, win win situation. Easy to service, some later ones do not have the UBFP some have the FBH so you are nice and toasty in the winter, i know of a nice one coming on the market in near future due to the owner not being able to drive it anymore, well looked after one fail in 2009 on a Nearside Rear coil spring fractured.
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It isn't "talk" Kaiser, it's real life evidence which unfortunately contradicts your belief.
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Has anyone successfully changed the thermostat kit using the keyhole method mentioned on the forums (removing clips, refitting them nice and tight with access etc etc). Don't fancy removing manifolds again when I fit my replacement.
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Great post I used to work for mg rover and spent a lot of time at the proving ground testing these cars before the launch and checking running temperatures etc you do have good information on these cars Last edited by dave lincs; 24th July 2021 at 21:30.. |
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My last post will be on this thread I think..
The point I was making here alongside trying to help others despite the thoughts and beliefs of others is.. If parts sellers are advertising a product, you buy said parts or products expecting that part or product to work the same way as the originally designed item "unless" otherwise stated. My gripe.. how many times has the "mgr were penny pinching before Longbridge closed" comment been made on this forum.. if mgr were going to the extent of removing the plastic seatbelt anchor bolt plastic covers.. not to mention rear anti roll bars etc.. then why didn't mg rover fit 82°c thermostats to accommodate a wider range of ambient temperatures for hotter climates? Must have been a reason! Seeing how when my other thermostat was "only" just reaching 82°c on my 7 mile drive home in -5°c temps and by only just I mean a couple of streets from home.. Do a Google search, the normal running temperature for most modern engines is between 90°c or more the designed thermostat opening temp for the kv6 is 88+/-2°c so why the change to a lower temp? Kaiser - I appreciate your offers of reassurance and I am now taking the approach of "why worry". As said above.. - as you stated though Kaiser after 5km's your temperature reaches 95°c . The newer thermostats don't! I can drive as I have done recently at 70mph for over 200 miles and still be sat at 82°c the entire time. With the heater off with outside temps above 20°c. If the thermostats that are available today, do run at the lower temperature.. advertise it to the buying public and inform them of the change in running temp to prevent confusion amongst owners. Had I been informed when buying, that the running temp was lower, but also been given a brief offer of reassurance that it is not an issue . I couldn't care less. Why should customers/owners purchase a part and then be worried that there's a potential issue and have to go through hoops to find it may not cause any problems. As said above.. most vehicles run a minimum of 90°c. My thoughts.. saic are making the parts (possibly in China) a hotter climate where the car effectively continued until 2016 where the climate is hotter. The 88°c stat wasn't working well so.. 82°c stat was used and this is all that is available for all kv6 engines now for cost savings..due to the decline in parts demand due to numbers falling away... just my personal thoughts.. With regards to another thread offered by stocktake in regards to modifying the top hose and fitting an inline thermostat. (This is by no means a dig or anything negative aimed at anybody). I personally don't see this as a fix.. more a bodge because the originally designed part isn't made to the required specification. It isn't something I would be looking towards doing. (Can't we just have a thermostat that works as originally designed?) If this was any other car current or not and a replacement thermostat was found to be opening earlier, resulting in lower running coolant temperature.. I'm sure the part would be returned as defective? Wouldn't it? Apologies in advance if this causes anybody any Ill feeling. This isn't particularly an issue to cause I'll feeling.. it's just a thermostat when all is said and done. I appreciate others views and comments and take these on board. I would like to stay on friendly terms with the people of this forum/club so I won't be commenting on the kv6 thermostats any further for fear of causing upset or ill feeling. R
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it makes one wonder if these 82 stats have been reprogrammed into the chinese ecu set up. as simon rightly says we do not know how these are mapped for sure at which and what temperatures cold fueling ceases. one question that has not been asked is what temperatures does closed loop come in ? once in closed loop then fueling is under the control of o2 sensors and will fuel adaptations accordingly within i believe + 20 or - 20 . once outside of these values the trims will not operate within boundries and hence will throw an engine malfunction light. this i dont think is happening so must be in spec. unless people are not reporting this. ...
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According to my Technical Brochure (which is called a Kompendium here) the cut off temperature for the coolant sensor is 18 degs C, after which Lambda 1 takes over.
Some might question the fuss about 82 thermostats but not all of us live in temperate zones, minus 20 even 30 is not unknown here and votes for a 82 thermostat would be few. I just want our suppliers to be honest: are their thermostats original spec or not? And ideally the temperature should be stamped or clearly visible on the item supplied. Very few on here would knowing buy the Indian upper arms although they were supplied by Xpart and presumably approved - I feel Xpart are being dishonest passing off these thermostats as original spec ones. They are not. Regards |
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of course they are !! the wording is ambiguous in as much as "original spec "means or implies from saiac motors. xpart will supply what they can get thats all. you will see time and again original rover in aftermarket parts meaning the chinese manufactured parts. so its obvious they cannot be original. if you read back to a recent post on here by phil-t4 around the 7th of this month he has posted a reply from xpart about the stat opening values. they have been altered a long time ago before the chinese did their version. however from the blueprint he recd by email it does not say what temps they were altered to ! so all in all yes it is unfair to mislead people as to what you are actually buying. i agree entirely.
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