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Old 14th October 2019, 11:21   #81
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And here is an article how the adoption of EV will reduce state revenue, and how, to compensate, you will pay with personal freedom.

https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Ene...-Adoption.html
I donít see a problem with this. I already have solar panels and enjoy the FIT offered by government and I shall have this for another 15 years or so. I have always been a fan of EVís - apart from the fact that the darn things are silent!! And in urban areas this can be a serious problem.

Last month I collected the FIT for both July and August and it not only paid my gas, electric, land line phone and broadband costs for August - but it paid ME £75!!

Our next car will most likely be a dual petrol(hopefully LPG)/electric one that we can charge for free via the PV solar panels.

Yes - this does mean that Governments have to consider how they collect future tax revenue.

So what?
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Old 14th October 2019, 11:57   #82
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I donít see a problem with this. I already have s....ls.

Yes - this does mean that Governments have to consider how they collect future tax revenue.

So what?
How would you suggest they collect revenue for electrical vehicles?
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Old 14th October 2019, 12:35   #83
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Kaiser, or xx if you prefer, I'm sure I'm missing something. In posts 72 & 79 you mention 'you' but, at least for me, the object is unclear. May I ask you again who your intended audience is ie: an individual or a wider aspect. I wouldn't want to misunderstand your meaning. Thanks.
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Yes I can see ructions happening here, I've been reading that Birmingham city council are voting on a WPL (workplace parking levy) like Scotland voted for the other day on Tuesday 15th Oct to implement a £500/parking space to get people out of cars & onto public transport.

https://airqualitynews.com/2019/10/1...-parking-levy/



It's now got the Royal seal of approval in the environmental bill this morning. https://airqualitynews.com/2019/10/1...ion-confirmed/
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Kaiser, or xx if you prefer, I'm sure I'm missing something. In posts 72 & 79 you mention 'you' but, at least for me, the object is unclear. May I ask you again who your intended audience is ie: an individual or a wider aspect. I wouldn't want to misunderstand your meaning. Thanks.
I don't share your concern. The meaning does not change whichever way you interpret the word "you".
And as I am all for free expression and free choice, I will leave it to you how you want to define "you".
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How would you suggest they collect revenue for electrical vehicles?
Why should we have to pay a tax revenue for running a vehicle?

If we scrapped tax on fuel now then we would see prices of all goods drop because transportation costs would fall.

The tax revenue would no doubt have to be replaced - but if prices in the shops fall then to balance, we would not need such high personal income tax allowance which currently in the U.K. is £12,500.

If this were halved to circa £7000, then I suspect this would go some way to replacing the lost tax revenue.
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Why should we have to pay a tax revenue for running a vehicle?

If we scrapped tax on fuel now then we would see prices of all goods drop because transportation costs would fall.

The tax revenue would no doubt have to be replaced - but if prices in the shops fall then to balance, we would not need such high personal income tax allowance which currently in the U.K. is £12,500.

If this were halved to circa £7000, then I suspect this would go some way to replacing the lost tax revenue.
Driving a car requires an infrastructure like roads and bridges etc. Established tax practice used to be that if you wanted to use these roads, you, as a road user, would have to pay for construction and maintenance. I think that principle is well established and regarded as fair, if fairly implemented

I would be unhappy if I, as a cyclist, would have to subsidize you as an electric vehicle user, for using the infrastructure.
No doubt any government would be forced to consider the users of EVs to pay their fair share of such infrastructure. Currently that is done via a tax on the fuel you use. So if you don't drive, you pay nothing, if you drive, you pay proportionally to the amount you use of fuel.

Now, how would that be done for electric vehicles?
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You pay a Vehicle Excise Tax(VEL) to use a vehicle on a road, its been done before, say £300.00 per 4wheeled, and £100.00 increase for another 2wheels. Pollution tax paid by maker on each vehicle at 10% of Retail sale price. No "special cases" Chris.S.
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Simple. Every charging point, even domestic outlets, to contain a mini dedicated meter, they are very simple. Commercial establishments to charge before plug release or have credit card inserted prior to charging. Domestic charge points have separate tariffs which are added to usual domestic direct debit bills. These can be changed remotely to reflect duties payable as in smart meters so tax imperatives can be maintained. However, if total charges are equivalent to liquid fuel usage there is no cost advantage so will affect roll-out. Cost will always be a factor. There will be glitches, but there is minimal hardware, no outer premises or staff overheads and instant disconnection where required. Provider revenue (and their corp. tax) is liable.
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Simple. Every charging point, even domestic outlets, to contain a mini dedicated meter, they are very simple. Commercial establishments to charge before plug release or have credit card inserted prior to charging. Domestic charge points have separate tariffs which are added to usual domestic direct debit bills. These can be changed remotely to reflect duties payable as in smart meters so tax imperatives can be maintained. However, if total charges are equivalent to liquid fuel usage there is no cost advantage so will affect roll-out. Cost will always be a factor. There will be glitches, but there is minimal hardware, no outer premises or staff overheads and instant disconnection where required. Provider revenue (and their corp. tax) is liable.

How are you going to differentiate between domestic use of electricity and the charging of an EV?.
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