Trade deal after Brexit

[mileshawk56]

And I understand none of these "johnies" play cricket so what can we expect. A cursory look at our history since 1066 reveals the stupidity of attempting any deal with the French or trusting their observing any of the agreed terms of that deal. As a little light reading regarding them I suggest "Assignment to catastrophe" by Edward Spears- you couldn't make it up. And I like and respect the French people, but their political and upper classes- Chris.S.

[mbev51]

How can the French company do it? Their employee wages/ conditions of service are high. Our companies need to get their act together, doesn't bode well for our competitiveness. Nevertheless we will make a success of Brexit!

[topman]

de la rue haven't said anything about job losses, so it's difficult to judge if there are to be any. Although the company that did win it are making them in the UK, from what I've read.

[Darcydog]

It does make me laugh tho - ‘cos if I didn’t laugh I would be banging my head against the nearest wall in despair at the stupidity of our leaders.

The U.K. does have a history of playing fair - in some ways I am immensely proud of that - in certain others ways, I am truly gobsmacked that we don’t do the same as other EU Countries - France being a classic example.

Now I love France - I spend a lot of time there being only a few miles from the Ports of STN P’POUTH and Poole.

So when the EU brought in rules re cheese production whereas France added an addendum to its laws saying that “traditional” cheese making methods were protected- we in the U.K. had officials that applied these rules across the board and a significant sector of the specialist cheese manufacture closed down.

Now we have the U.K. “playing fair” over our new passports and it looks like a French company may get the business.

How odd then that the current manufacturer of U.K. passports cannot even bid for the work of making French Passports because the French Government only allows French Firms to bid on the grounds of “National Security”.

On the one hand this underlined exactly why I feel we have to leave this obnoxious club because whilst we play fair, other members do not.

On the other hand - along with my second hand - I am holding my head in my hands in despair at the monumental stupidity of our so called “leaders”.

[solarsailor]

Originally Posted by Darcydog

........Now we have the U.K. “playing fair” over our new passports and it looks like a French company may get the business....................

At risk of repeating myself, I suggested in a previous post that the UK should wait until it's out of the EU before changing passports, then the matter of which company produces them wouldn't be an issue.

[Darcydog]

Originally Posted by solarsailor

At risk of repeating myself, I suggested in a previous post that the UK should wait until it's out of the EU before changing passports, then the matter of which company produces them wouldn't be an issue.

An excellent suggestion - and a compromise I really hope we use.

[andymc]

Originally Posted by Darcydog

It does make me laugh tho - ‘cos if I didn’t laugh I would be banging my head against the nearest wall in despair at the stupidity of our leaders.

The U.K. does have a history of playing fair - in some ways I am immensely proud of that - in certain others ways, I am truly gobsmacked that we don’t do the same as other EU Countries - France being a classic example.

Now I love France - I spend a lot of time there being only a few miles from the Ports of STN P’POUTH and Poole.

So when the EU brought in rules re cheese production whereas France added an addendum to its laws saying that “traditional” cheese making methods were protected- we in the U.K. had officials that applied these rules across the board and a significant sector of the specialist cheese manufacture closed down.

Now we have the U.K. “playing fair” over our new passports and it looks like a French company may get the business.

How odd then that the current manufacturer of U.K. passports cannot even bid for the work of making French Passports because the French Government only allows French Firms to bid on the grounds of “National Security”.

On the one hand this underlined exactly why I feel we have to leave this obnoxious club because whilst we play fair, other members do not.

On the other hand - along with my second hand - I am holding my head in my hands in despair at the monumental stupidity of our so called “leaders”.

Is the failure of the UK authorities to apply the rules in a way that suits UK businesses the fault of France/the EU, or the fault of the UK?

[wraymond]

Originally Posted by andymc

Is the failure of the UK authorities to apply the rules in a way that suits UK businesses the fault of France/the EU, or the fault of the UK?

There's no doubt about that but it depends on which you see it. To award the contract to the best value offer in accordance with the rules is the correct way. I don't see it as a UK 'failure' by the way, unless you apply the criterion to the other members. On that they have failed to observe the rules. As you are aware, meticulous language is everything. What they do on a regular basis seems to be outside the rules, but under the Nelsonian principle (no pun intended). And looking down the large end of the telescope.

In the knowledge that other members apply the rules on questionable grounds the other best way is to directly query those grounds with the Commission. Two wrongs and all that.

That would probably take to around March next year to get a ruling. There would then be a 'transition' period of 21 months to argue the toss during which time we would have to err on the safe side, for security reasons, by continuing with current arrangements. Two year contract? I'm sure David Davis is aware of the brinkmanship opportunities in the situation.

On the other hand, we could just go ahead and do it anyway on the same grounds as the others. Only this time Amber Rudd might think to turn the papers over so she can see who it's from.

[mbev51]

As I have already said, this sort of illjudged behaviour by the government doesn't bode well for our future. It looks as if a world trade war is starting, not a good time to do a Brexit. Much better to be part of the EU to benefit from their clout in trading arrangements. When the transition period is over, will we actually loose the benefit of all the trade deals the EU has made worldwide? Is that the plan? It all frightens me, I can see long unemployment queues forming.

[Darcydog]

Originally Posted by solarsailor

at risk of repeating myself, i suggested in a previous post that the uk should wait until it's out of the eu before changing passports, then the matter of which company produces them wouldn't be an issue.

Originally Posted by wraymond

there's no doubt about that but it depends on which you see it. To award the contract to the best value offer in accordance with the rules is the correct way. I don't see it as a uk 'failure' by the way, unless you apply the criterion to the other members. On that they have failed to observe the rules. As you are aware, meticulous language is everything. What they do on a regular basis seems to be outside the rules, but under the nelsonian principle (no pun intended). And looking down the large end of the telescope.

In the knowledge that other members apply the rules on questionable grounds the other best way is to directly query those grounds with the commission. Two wrongs and all that.

That would probably take to around march next year to get a ruling. There would then be a 'transition' period of 21 months to argue the toss during which time we would have to err on the safe side, for security reasons, by continuing with current arrangements. Two year contract? I'm sure david davis is aware of the brinkmanship opportunities in the situation.

On the other hand, we could just go ahead and do it anyway on the same grounds as the others. Only this time amber rudd might think to turn the papers over so she can see who it's from.

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