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Old 2nd November 2021, 08:24   #11
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I hope so, however it's old cars they want off the road.
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Old 2nd November 2021, 09:23   #12
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The devil will be in the detail. As you say easy enough to do with the next generation of vehicles. I doubt anyone could tell me what spec my old Norton Commando left the factory with!
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Old 2nd November 2021, 14:22   #13
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I don’t think its possible for this kind of 'type approval' legislation, which Germany has had for at least 45 years, to be retrospective as the volume of data required would be staggering and therefor unenforceable, which is the main point.
It would be difficult even on new vehicles but at least do-able. It sounds like something manufacturers would want and push for as it puts everything through their dealer network which keeps it profitable and avoids warranty work on what they would consider to be tampered vehicles.
In a car where the manufacture disappeared 15 years or a perfectly legal import that hasn’t been made or imported for 10 – where would you even start? I don’t think we have anything to worry about.
I lived in Germany 40 years ago and I remember putting a mini through a TÜV test (their MOT) and having to change a standard steering wheel to a smaller non-standard wheel, because that car had had its steering wheel changed by a previous owner and that change was recorded into the cars log, but when he sold it he put it back to standard and consequently the car contravened its approval.
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Old 8th November 2021, 21:27   #14
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I can confirm the steering wheel story. My son who lives in Germany, when he came over to GB on holiday, bought a steering wheel for his German car. When he took it for the two year MOT, it failed on the specs sheet because it was not a tuv approved part, and not in the specs for the car. He had to change it back to the old one which he had luckily kept.
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Old 9th November 2021, 07:19   #15
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My guess plugging into a cars OBD port will be part of the MOT test in the next few years. This will show up all those hidden faults that are being hidden by timed warning lights and of course will tell if EGR's are switched off ect.
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The devil will be in the detail. As you say easy enough to do with the next generation of vehicles. I doubt anyone could tell me what spec my old Norton Commando left the factory with!
I appreciate what you're saying, however lifting the bonnet to find a cold air intake with large K&N fitted would be very noticable
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Old 9th November 2021, 08:48   #17
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How would I know what spec my car is, I bought it as seen I am not aware of any updates so I am ignorant to that fact.

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Old 9th November 2021, 09:49   #18
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How would I know what spec my car is, I bought it as seen I am not aware of any updates so I am ignorant to that fact.

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Ignorance is not a defence in compliance and law!

I suspect there would be a system that will maintain the approved build spec of each car. Any deviations from the spec would be recorded at the annual checks. This is why the change can only really be effectively implemented for cars that have the necessary inbuilt capability and a system has been established to track approved specifications.
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Old 9th November 2021, 11:58   #19
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........The modern cars will be like a robot reporting any faults etc to the manufacturer and authorities!
I think that you are correct and it is just around the corner.
EDR (Electronic Data Recorders) have been compulsory in the US for many years now.
In an event, such as airbag deployment, data is locked and recorded.
This gives information such as vehicle speed, attitude, brake pressure, any activation of ABS or airbags, whether seat belts are being worn etc. etc.

Worldwide, including Europe, are now following suit.
I was looking at a list of vehicles, produced by Bosch. The list is huge, but, as an example, you only have to look at A&B to realise that Audi and BMW models are either EDR compliant, or will be by next year in 2022.

The other thing is if a vehicle has a factory fitted infotainment system.
This will enable information to be captured and transmitted, such as where you have been, what calls you have made/received and even what music you have been listening to!

Big brother is now looming.
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............... even what music you have been listening to!

Big brother is now looming.

This will not need much complexity. The answer will be Tina Turner, Meatloaf or Non-compliant.

Also, you forgot to mention terminators to eliminate speeding motorists.
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