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Old 28th June 2021, 15:16   #11
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The E5 grade will remain available from most major outlets, so stick with that. If you run low somewhere and can only get E10, a couple of gallons of that isn't going to compromise anything. It will get you to an E5 outlet. If mileage is important to you, I suspect the E10 will reduce the long term average MPG because ethanol is less energetic than petroleum.

I'll stick with the E5.
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Old 29th June 2021, 17:56   #12
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Funny thing... there's an advert I hear on the radio in the middle of the night exhorting me to check my vehicle etc, which specifically says the new fuel will be introduced "in England, Scotland, & Wales".


Now over here in NI we're well used to being excluded, but anybody know if this is the case, or if the advert has simply left us out as usual?
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Old 29th June 2021, 19:25   #13
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Now over here in NI we're well used to being excluded, but anybody know if this is the case, or if the advert has simply left us out as usual?
That's a great question Roger. Here's a quote from the government website:

"The initial legislation will apply to Great Britain only. In line with our obligations under the Northern Ireland Protocol, we’ll also notify the European Commission of our intention to legislate for the introduction of E10 in Northern Ireland to ensure regulations are in place before the September 2021 change in petrol grade."

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Old 29th June 2021, 19:55   #14
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The initial legislation will apply to Great Britain only. In line with our obligations under the Northern Ireland Protocol, we’ll also notify the European Commission of our intention to legislate for the introduction of E10 in Northern Ireland to ensure regulations are in place before the September 2021 change in petrol grade."

Thanks Simon, very informative.


Good old protocol - how we laughed when they announced that one
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Old 30th June 2021, 08:48   #15
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The E5 grade will remain available from most major outlets, so stick with that. If you run low somewhere and can only get E10, a couple of gallons of that isn't going to compromise anything. It will get you to an E5 outlet. If mileage is important to you, I suspect the E10 will reduce the long term average MPG because ethanol is less energetic than petroleum.

I'll stick with the E5.
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Excuse the highlighting pls. But this is the con. Over long term usage I know that non-ethanol fuel gets better mpg than e5 does. e10 is going to be less efficient. But they'll tell you it's less polluting than non-ethanol. Well I'm not convinced that it is if you need to burn 10% more of it for the same mileage. (and you won't be paying less for it either!).
There have been numerous debates about the benefits of premium fuels compared to standard and supermarket with many claims made. One consistent thing I see in those threads from those that poo-poo premium fuels usually goes along the lines of 'I tried a tank-full and didn't notice any difference.' Well you won't really with just one tank full. It'll take more than that to get your injectors clean again. Try it over 10 tankfuls. If you have to sometimes top off a quarter tank with supermarket fuel it won't matter. But smoothness and mpg will both improve if over 50% of fuel in the tank over extended time is premium. This will become even more so when standard fuel becomes e10 and premium will have no or at most e5 ethanol.
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The short answer David is that all engines fitted to Land Rover vehicles from 1996 onwards are said to be compatible with E10 petrol. That includes the 1.8 K series and the KV6.

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This isn't strictly true - says the CDTi driver
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The short answer David is that all engines fitted to Land Rover vehicles from 1996 onwards are said to be compatible with E10 petrol. That includes the 1.8 K series and the KV6.

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The problem is that the "approval " is if the engine will run on it.
I have a 1998 Triumph motorcycle and the website states that all Triumphs since model year 1990 are compatible.

The data is from the European Automobile /Motorcycle Manufacturers' Association.

It might run on this cocktail, however E5 Fuel attacks the fuel tanks causing them to swell and the paintwork to bubble or split.
Not good news when the tanks are NLA and cost around £500 if you are lucky enough to get hold of one!

The situation will be even worse with E10.

I am going to to stick with ethanol free fuels.
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Old 27th August 2021, 09:13   #18
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A bit late here but I thought I'll post my experience with E10 so far.
The local petrol station I use switched quite early and as I was the the general consensus was that the KV6 would run fine I started using it.
The first thing I noticed was that the car wasn't as happy starting as it used to be sometimes it would almost die and then it would clear up and start running fine.
Then the other thing I noticed was that the car was down on power due to relocating I've done many trips on the M23 that has steep gradients and uphill it would struggle at 70 foot was pretty much flat to the floor.
So I decided to run some injector cleaner and let run very low on fuel to refuel with premium I was socked at the difference after that it never had an issue starting and the power seems to be what it should and I would happily accelerate on the m23 uphills.
I tried premium fuels in the past and I did not notice much of a difference but now I certainly did so I've decided I'll stay away from E10 for the time being.
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Old 27th August 2021, 10:15   #19
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A bit late here but I thought I'll post my experience with E10 so far.

I tried premium fuels in the past and I did not notice much of a difference but now I certainly did so I've decided I'll stay away from E10 for the time being.
Don't plan to use E10 ever (hopefully), and never go near Supermarket variants. A saving of 2p per litre only equates to a difference of about £1.20 per tank on our cars - not worth the risk.
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Question Still confused about which new grade of fuel to use in my MGZT 1.8

Hi , I am a newbie to this club but long time MGZT 1.8 (petrol non turbo) owner (bought our ZT brand new in April 2005)

Now I have read all of the posts regarding this E5 vs E10 petrol and last week (after letting the tank run low) I plumped for the E5 option as it seemed the safest bet .

So what's the problem I hear you ask ? Well I always go to the same Shell station for my fuel and the "fuel save" version has now switched to E10 .
The other option is "V -power" which is E5 (and I think 99 octane but I could be wrong about that) .

As I said , I opted for the E5 fuel but was shocked at it costing 20p a litre more at (an alarming £1.53 per litre). This is a station in town not a motorway services one .

The car does not do many miles (it's on 30,600 from new) so I guess I could go with the more expensive fuel even if purely based on "if in doubt use E5" and the fact that there will be less chance of fuel lines and engine damage , plus E5 is more effecient .

However , I do not want to be wasting my money on the E5 stuff if the car would be perfectly fine on E10 .
The car sitting for up to a month at a time is also a concern , if it has E10 in it could it be slowly eroding the fuel system while it lies idle ?

Sorry for the lengthy post but I really just need some reassurance from other members .
Thanks if you've read all the way to down here !
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