Have the Afgan's been thrown to the wolves? - Page 3

Arctic · 19th August 2021, 00:44

Is he wrong or right

one thing for sure when will we learn to keep our nose of of other peoples business, seems never.

https://imgur.com/gallery/qtbAtcL

Darcydog · 19th August 2021, 05:50

American politicians do little within the world without looking for some sort of “home advantage”. This latest debacle is no exception. Biden thought his supporters would praise him for “getting out” - and if done in a sensible orderly fashion I am sure everyone would be saying “job well done.

But now due to, Lord knows What, stupidity we have live people falling out or airplanes to their deaths and investigations into why there are human body parts wrapped around the retracted undercarriage of USAF aircraft.

American politicians are like politicians everywhere. They play to their perceived audience. George W Bush at an election rally spoke of US military action being “the Christian thing to do”.

That went down well in Kabul - “hey up lads - there’s another Crusade on its way!”

We see similar in this country - Certain politicians perform badly in the eyes of the country as a whole currently because for self destructive reasons that Party thinks that it has to only bother appealing to the inner M25 woke navel gazers. Even staunch supporters in other “normal” parts of the Country, turn their backs on a party that has abandoned them.

Politicians do stupid things and say stupid things when playing to the wrong audience.

mbev51 · 19th August 2021, 06:26

It will be interesting to see if the ‘special relationship’ is damaged long term. Our military cannot act alone, this has been true for a while now. Our navy would struggle to put a battle group together to protect our white elephant of an aircraft carrier. The world is a dangerous place.

macafee2 · 19th August 2021, 07:35

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Originally Posted by Arctic

Is he wrong or right

one thing for sure when will we learn to keep our nose of of other peoples business, seems never.

https://imgur.com/gallery/qtbAtcL

Arctic, I dont think it can be as easy as that. With what you are suggesting would mean standing back while genocide takes place. Genocide has taken place a number of times, who looks out for the innocent, the victims?
I do not wish to see service personal injured or killed but those that join should join knowing they may be asked to go into battle and may suffer all sorts of injuries or death. The strong standing up for the weak? Is standing up for the weak perhaps the thin edge of the wedge to starting WWIII?

I for one cannot get me head around dictatorships, suppression of the population and civil wars. All this killing, fear and destruction.

Wars will cease when men refuse to fight........ seen on a badge some 40 plus years ago, in fact, I may have even bought the badge

macafee2

KWIL · 19th August 2021, 08:11

"Wars will cease when men refuse to fight........ seen on a badge some 40 plus years ago, in fact, I may have even bought the badge"

This will never be, mankind is a reactive animal, shortage of food, space, over population, natural disaster, political stupidty, crop failure etc. are all drivers of events which can lead to war.

Rev Jules · 19th August 2021, 08:18

Who gives a flip of a coin! it is done and nothing can be done about it.

Rev.

torque2me · 19th August 2021, 14:36

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Originally Posted by KWIL

This will never be, mankind is a reactive animal, shortage of food, space, over population, natural disaster, political stupidty, crop failure etc. are all drivers of events which can lead to war.

Some are predicting wars over water rights

Kev

mileshawk56 · 19th August 2021, 15:46

There was no genocide taking place in Afghanistan, tne americans saw the excuse to get in there for their business interests, remember the pipeline? and silly billy British politicians swallowed the democracy/womens rights story and sent our armed forces off to get killed and injured. I have said and say it again the various tribes and religious sects have been killing each other for many hundreds of years. Most politicians in this country can read/dont read their national history and even approve an education system which ignore or re writes it according to their fuzzy ideals, they have 4year memory's The only bright spot in this is to have it confirmed President Biden is a bigger idiot than even I thought him to be. So another 25000-women and children! first- wont this 25000 want to have their mothers,fathers,uncles,aunts etc to join them in the UK? And of course they will all have provable identification and wont be "retired" terrorists or even criminals, just like the approved Libyan "freedom fighter" who was granted permission to stay,and a Council flat, and financial benefits who last year on an summer afternoon in a park in Reading stabbed three ordinary British people to death. But that doesnt matter to the "fuzzy people" Chris.S.

torque2me · 19th August 2021, 19:24

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Originally Posted by mileshawk56

There was no genocide taking place in Afghanistan, tne americans saw the excuse to get in there for their business interests, remember the pipeline? and silly billy British politicians swallowed the democracy/womens rights story and sent our armed forces off to get killed and injured. I have said and say it again the various tribes and religious sects have been killing each other for many hundreds of years. Most politicians in this country can read/dont read their national history and even approve an education system which ignore or re writes it according to their fuzzy ideals, they have 4year memory's The only bright spot in this is to have it confirmed President Biden is a bigger idiot than even I thought him to be. So another 25000-women and children! first- wont this 25000 want to have their mothers,fathers,uncles,aunts etc to join them in the UK? And of course they will all have provable identification and wont be "retired" terrorists or even criminals, just like the approved Libyan "freedom fighter" who was granted permission to stay,and a Council flat, and financial benefits who last year on an summer afternoon in a park in Reading stabbed three ordinary British people to death. But that doesnt matter to the "fuzzy people" Chris.S.

Absolutely! That is what I was hinting at in my post #18. It won't stop at 30k+ and the unintended consequences and events will be more overwhelming for the UK's infrastructure then the do-gooders envisage.

You won't hear from the likes of Yvette Cooper when the poo hits the fan and I bet the media photographers will never capture a photo of Afghan/Syrian/Iranian/Algerian/Libyan refugees next-door to their abode.

I don't think they even have 4 year memory attributes and I doubt if Oxbridge or Eton teach their charges about tribalism.

Kev

Nantwich 75 · 20th August 2021, 06:08

How many terrorist attacks in this country since 7/7 have been by 'asylum seekers'?

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Darcydog This is my second home Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 5,428 Thanks: 3,123 Thanked 3,170 Times in 2,096 Posts	American politicians do little within the world without looking for some sort of “home advantage”. This latest debacle is no exception. Biden thought his supporters would praise him for “getting out” - and if done in a sensible orderly fashion I am sure everyone would be saying “job well done. But now due to, Lord knows What, stupidity we have live people falling out or airplanes to their deaths and investigations into why there are human body parts wrapped around the retracted undercarriage of USAF aircraft. American politicians are like politicians everywhere. They play to their perceived audience. George W Bush at an election rally spoke of US military action being “the Christian thing to do”. That went down well in Kabul - “hey up lads - there’s another Crusade on its way!” We see similar in this country - Certain politicians perform badly in the eyes of the country as a whole currently because for self destructive reasons that Party thinks that it has to only bother appealing to the inner M25 woke navel gazers. Even staunch supporters in other “normal” parts of the Country, turn their backs on a party that has abandoned them. Politicians do stupid things and say stupid things when playing to the wrong audience.

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mbev51 Banned Removed Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Removed Posts: 1,343 Thanks: 171 Thanked 315 Times in 223 Posts	It will be interesting to see if the ‘special relationship’ is damaged long term. Our military cannot act alone, this has been true for a while now. Our navy would struggle to put a battle group together to protect our white elephant of an aircraft carrier. The world is a dangerous place.

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mileshawk56 Posted a thing or two MGZT Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Berkshire Posts: 1,281 Thanks: 1,738 Thanked 299 Times in 216 Posts	There was no genocide taking place in Afghanistan, tne americans saw the excuse to get in there for their business interests, remember the pipeline? and silly billy British politicians swallowed the democracy/womens rights story and sent our armed forces off to get killed and injured. I have said and say it again the various tribes and religious sects have been killing each other for many hundreds of years. Most politicians in this country can read/dont read their national history and even approve an education system which ignore or re writes it according to their fuzzy ideals, they have 4year memory's The only bright spot in this is to have it confirmed President Biden is a bigger idiot than even I thought him to be. So another 25000-women and children! first- wont this 25000 want to have their mothers,fathers,uncles,aunts etc to join them in the UK? And of course they will all have provable identification and wont be "retired" terrorists or even criminals, just like the approved Libyan "freedom fighter" who was granted permission to stay,and a Council flat, and financial benefits who last year on an summer afternoon in a park in Reading stabbed three ordinary British people to death. But that doesnt matter to the "fuzzy people" Chris.S.

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Nantwich 75 Loves to post Rover 75 Tourer Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Nantwich Posts: 267 Thanks: 102 Thanked 31 Times in 23 Posts	How many terrorist attacks in this country since 7/7 have been by 'asylum seekers'?