Cheap cam belt change for v6

[P-Nut]

So we're doing character witnesses now? Jesus ducking christ

[Moonshine Mark]

I'm glad I bought a diesel

[trikey]

Originally Posted by SD1too

Well Brian, I'm not surprised to read this because it's the only exit you have. It's obvious to most of us that an air filter and a sparking plug cannot possibly deteriorate simply due to the passage of time. Therefore MGR's motive for specifying replacement on this basis has to be commercial. After all, it's what keeps not only the car industry but our entire economic system going. Timing belts are no exception.



Brian; you have repeatedly asked my profession. This makes no difference to the validity of my argument. After claiming to be an "engineer", you should be able to deal with a simple principle such as mine without having to resort to childish and disrespectful tactics. The fact that you are unable to do this speaks volumes. I know many excellent engineers, and your behaviour on this forum resembles a cross between a school bully and a salesman who has turned into a "keyboard warrior". I hope that one day you will be able to adopt a more mature and tolerant attitude towards others.



Simon

Simon, an air filter will degrade due to the passage of time, they contain a large amount of polyurethane which due to hydrolysis (amongst others) causes the polymer to harden and lose its properties.

Coupled with temperature variation, this will degrade the filter even if it appears to be perfectly ok to the eye.

[marinabrian]

Originally Posted by SD1too

Well Brian, I'm not surprised to read this because it's the only exit you have. It's obvious to most of us that an air filter and a sparking plug cannot possibly deteriorate simply due to the passage of time. Therefore MGR's motive for specifying replacement on this basis has to be commercial. After all, it's what keeps not only the car industry but our entire economic system going. Timing belts are no exception.

Brian; you have repeatedly asked my profession. This makes no difference to the validity of my argument. After claiming to be an "engineer", you should be able to deal with a simple principle such as mine without having to resort to childish and disrespectful tactics. The fact that you are unable to do this speaks volumes. I know many excellent engineers, and your behaviour on this forum resembles a cross between a school bully and a salesman who has turned into a "keyboard warrior". I hope that one day you will be able to adopt a more mature and tolerant attitude towards others.

Simon

Simon, you are the most irritating person I've ever had the misfortune of crossing words with.

Sparking plug? for heavens sake man are you running Golden Lodge in your car? they are spark plugs and yes they do deteriorate without the engine being run.

You will find that atmospheric humidity find find it's way past open valves, via both the inlet and exhaust and cause corrosive deposits, the "metal tomb" which is not a hermetically sealed chamber, hence why I asked about the car being garaged or not.

Similarly the air cleaner is not in a hermetically sealed chamber either, but these have no bearing whatsoever on the timing belt, and they will not cause a car to be scrapped when they fail.

You strike me as a person with little idea of how hostile an environment an engine actually is, and I suspect you've never gone further than playing with the outer components.

As I say I have no problem whatsoever with the way you choose to look after your car or not as the case may be, but you now claim to be the complete expert in the field because you've muddled your way through a job that takes a competent person no more than a few hours to complete to a satisfactory standard, over many weeks.

Now at every possible opportunity you are dispensing without any idea of the condition of any other persons car, a stalwart promise that their car will be perfectly safe to be used with aging components that you have no idea of their condition.

There is a colloquialism for people such as your self, it is a dilutey an example of this is someone who fits a new fuse to a 13 amp plug, then claims to be an electrician.

I wish I had your supreme confidence in knowing everything there is to know about everything, but I don't, and I certainly wouldn't recommend to anyone that they should heed my advice based upon one case study of an old banger, versus the research and development made by the designer and manufacturer of the engine.

As to being a salesman, how about this for a sales pitch, a local member came to me for a bit of advice about his V6 tourer, and was asking if I could replace his belts for him.

I told him just to run it until it goes bang, because the car had been messed around with various bodges, and to be fair although I could have quite happily done the work and charged accordingly, why bother, it was a £500 car, run it until it's broken and buy another was my advice.

I take great exception though to your belittling of the fact that I carried out a five year indentured engineering apprenticeship, along with four years of technical college.

Not only do I know what I'm talking about, I possess the skill and acumen to actually carry out all of the jobs I discuss at length on this forum and beyond.

You claim to be attempting to help fellow members achieve "best value", well I actually do that, I don't just talk the talk, I can walk the walk.

So you can stick that in your pompous pipe and smoke it !!

[MSS]

Originally Posted by Gate Keeper

I met Simon at a local meet and we became involved in a lengthy and in depth discussion about everything over a few drinks in the pub. In fact we forgot to have lunch as the conversation was stimulating and exciting He showed me how to check the dipstick on the V6. Anyone who meets him will say what an okay guy he really is, quite different from how he is portrayed on the boards.

Changing a belt. Oh my, oh my .....

I will leave it to the experts. I found the banter here between Brian and Simon quite stimulating

Phil - As one of the silent majority on this thread, I concur wholeheartedly with your comments about Simon and have always enjoyed exchanges with him even when we disagreed. A true gent in my view. Ditto Marinabrian. It is their collective depth of experience and analytical capability that is most stimulating.

This particular exchange is no exception.

What I do find laughable is that some who never usually comment on anything car related on the forum seem to have jumped at the opportunity to add their bit. It must be the attraction of topics beginning with B. Not aimed at anyone in particular, of course.

Originally Posted by marinabrian

Simon, you are the most irritating person I've ever had the misfortune of crossing words with.
..............

wot - not me?

Originally Posted by Moonshine Mark

I'm glad I bought a diesel

Start a thread to the effect and we may convince you otherwise!

[marinabrian]

Originally Posted by trikey

Simon, an air filter will degrade due to the passage of time, they contain a large amount of polyurethane which due to hydrolysis (amongst others) causes the polymer to harden and lose its properties.

Coupled with temperature variation, this will degrade the filter even if it appears to be perfectly ok to the eye.

What do you know about long chain polymers and the effects of hydrolysis?, and what does that have to do with my thirty year old Champion L10 sparking plugs that are not allowing my 1172 sidevalve to start?

How dare you challenge the all knowing all seeing sage of north west London, now get back into your box before I have you up in front of the committee

[v-man]

Originally Posted by marinabrian

back into your box before I have you up in front of the committee

He won't go back in there, box cafe run out of desserts and not enough Hob Nob crumbs left in there to sustain him.

[marinabrian]

Originally Posted by v-man

He won't go back in there, box cafe run out of desserts and not enough Hob Nob crumbs left in there to sustain him.

Ran out of thanks, but splendid........how well you know Andy

Brian

[trikey]

Originally Posted by marinabrian

What do you know about long chain polymers and the effects of hydrolysis?, and what does that have to do with my thirty year old Champion L10 sparking plugs that are not allowing my 1172 sidevalve to start?



How dare you challenge the all knowing all seeing sage of north west London, now get back into your box before I have you up in front of the committee

Your sidevalve will be fine as long as the Bakelite distributor cap holds out 🤟

[trikey]

Originally Posted by marinabrian

Ran out of thanks, but splendid........how well you know Andy



Brian

My reputation is far and wide (just like my belly with all this cake retention)