Problems programming new Message center IPK

StevenWilliams · 4th March 2009, 12:28

I have just returned from Lindfield Rover in Haywards heath after attempting to get my brand new and shiny IPK with message center paired to my car with a T4.

First they stated straight away they have only ever done like to like replacements and as I was replacing a non Message center one with a message center one they were not sure it could be done. I assured them that other people including some from this site have done it so they said they would give it a go. They also assured me the have the latest software on the T4.

After trying for half an hour they gave up. Apparently they could not get the new IPK to talk or be recognised by the car at all. They have given me a printout of the error and I'll pot it shortly. So I have now returned with my old unit in place.

I have 2 questions.

Is it a straight swap as far as the T4 is concerned or do they have to tell it it's an upgrade?
The unit was originally designed for a diesel but I have opened it up and replaced the dial overlay with a Petrol one. Could this be the problem? Can Diesel units be re-programmed for Petrol cars? I was assured by a few members that the units are actually the same and the car would sort itself out.

Obviously I'm a little sad

at the moment as my new toy is not working. I've also bought a Stalk button and TMC unit and everything ready.

Any help would be appreciated.

Livermpj · 4th March 2009, 18:11

Oh dear, hope you get it sorted easily, I've got va vested interest because I've also bought a new message centre IPK...

I wonder if Test Book is a bit tempremental? When my car was new, the Rover dealer replaced the light switch module because the headlights were permanently on, but they had a right job programming the new light switch to the car.
IIRC it took 3 attempts before it would configure correctly, but once done it was fine (and has been for 8 years).

Good luck!
Pete.

JohnDotCom · 4th March 2009, 18:16

If you have had a Remap or a Tuning box installed this can cause many problems with T4.
It may take the Technician a few attempts.
Turn off Synergy or any other device before matching up.

Mine is a pig to get T4 to work sometimes, but have a Custom Re Map and Synergy fitted.

Of course could be just down to not knowing how to use the T4 properly, many don't.

SPARKIE 51 · 4th March 2009, 18:58

Hi all, i treated my mg zt 190+ 51 plate, to a nice new message center ipk, from LES @SMC (nice one les thanks) booked the zt in to have it fitted and session on t4 to programe ,at good mgr outlet
they say easy to fit no problem, but also state my loom may be diferent or ecu will need data from sensors not fitted to my car, any one done this upgrade to a 2001 zt 190 ? I would love to get full use from ipk,
any comments would be well recieved

cheers forum, :lol: ROB

StevenWilliams · 4th March 2009, 19:10

I'm going to book it in with a differernt xpart service center and try again. Hopefully more luck next time.

Dragrad · 4th March 2009, 20:11

Take it to Lates - it'll be done before the coffee's cold!!

Greeners · 4th March 2009, 20:20

i've had message centres added to a 2001 190 and a 2003 CDTi (both ZT), without any problems.

I'm sure is you search back, Keith posted up some very useful information on the subject.

Simon · 4th March 2009, 20:46

I think the problems lie with the operator of the T4 machine rather than any problems with cars or machinery etc.

It is my understanding that whoever operates the machine simply needs to ensure the correct options are enabled on the car when the new pack is installed along with selecting the "Highline Instrument Pack" option. The mileage/VIN back-up data is read back from the LSM and re-coded onto the new IPK. Assuming all goes to plan then you should have the IPK set-up and showing correct information in (as Dragrad says) the time it takes to drink a cup of coffee

There is nothing whatsoever with regards to mechanical, electrical, wiring etc etc differences that will stop a highline instrument pack being installed on any derivative of car.

SPARKIE 51 · 4th March 2009, 20:49

thanks for info David, will post again after ipk fitted,

ROB

SPARKIE 51 · 4th March 2009, 20:58

HI SIMON, your comments on this matter are music to my ears, just what i wanted to hear,you made a zt and his slave very happy,

cheers buddy, this is the best forum on the planet, no mistake,

4th March 2009, 12:28	#1
StevenWilliams This is my second home Rover 75 Saloon 2.5 V6 British Racing Green. 81,000 miles and counting Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Crawley, West Sussex Posts: 6,183 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Problems programming new Message center IPK I have just returned from Lindfield Rover in Haywards heath after attempting to get my brand new and shiny IPK with message center paired to my car with a T4. First they stated straight away they have only ever done like to like replacements and as I was replacing a non Message center one with a message center one they were not sure it could be done. I assured them that other people including some from this site have done it so they said they would give it a go. They also assured me the have the latest software on the T4. After trying for half an hour they gave up. Apparently they could not get the new IPK to talk or be recognised by the car at all. They have given me a printout of the error and I'll pot it shortly. So I have now returned with my old unit in place. I have 2 questions. Is it a straight swap as far as the T4 is concerned or do they have to tell it it's an upgrade? The unit was originally designed for a diesel but I have opened it up and replaced the dial overlay with a Petrol one. Could this be the problem? Can Diesel units be re-programmed for Petrol cars? I was assured by a few members that the units are actually the same and the car would sort itself out. Obviously I'm a little sad at the moment as my new toy is not working. I've also bought a Stalk button and TMC unit and everything ready. Any help would be appreciated. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Rover 75 2.5 2000 Club SE. British Racing Green. MEMBER NUMBER: MMMDCCXXVI Looking for: 7 seater

4th March 2009, 18:58	#4
SPARKIE 51 Regular poster MG ZT 190+ Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: CAMBS Posts: 34 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Message Center Ipk Hi all, i treated my mg zt 190+ 51 plate, to a nice new message center ipk, from LES @SMC (nice one les thanks) booked the zt in to have it fitted and session on t4 to programe ,at good mgr outlet they say easy to fit no problem, but also state my loom may be diferent or ecu will need data from sensors not fitted to my car, any one done this upgrade to a 2001 zt 190 ? I would love to get full use from ipk, any comments would be well recieved cheers forum, :lol: ROB

4th March 2009, 19:10	#5
StevenWilliams This is my second home Rover 75 Saloon 2.5 V6 British Racing Green. 81,000 miles and counting Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Crawley, West Sussex Posts: 6,183 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	I'm going to book it in with a differernt xpart service center and try again. Hopefully more luck next time. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Rover 75 2.5 2000 Club SE. British Racing Green. MEMBER NUMBER: MMMDCCXXVI Looking for: 7 seater

4th March 2009, 20:11	#6
Dragrad This is my second home *None DROWNED** Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Cardigan Posts: 33,339 Thanks: 1,257 Thanked 1,664 Times in 1,081 Posts	Take it to Lates - it'll be done before the coffee's cold!! __________________ Andrew Ich Dien Problem solving is... lateral thinking SEARCH FIRST ...ASK LATER...

4th March 2009, 20:20	#7
Greeners Moderator MG-ZTT Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ware, Herts Posts: 19,798 Thanks: 161 Thanked 1,249 Times in 1,036 Posts	i've had message centres added to a 2001 190 and a 2003 CDTi (both ZT), without any problems. I'm sure is you search back, Keith posted up some very useful information on the subject. __________________ *David* Impecunity is the mother of ingenuity Useful how to's for common problems Car Of The Month Jan 2014 [SatNav Power Down] [Coolant Level] [SatNav Repair] [Diesel Non Starting] [Paint Codes] [Rear Light Seals] [Reversing Light Switch] [Bleeding Brakes][Sunroof Drain] [Early ZT's][Instrument Pack Diagnostics][ATC Diagnostics]

4th March 2009, 18:11	#2
Livermpj Loves to post Rover 75 CDT Club saloon Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Nottingham Posts: 280 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Oh dear, hope you get it sorted easily, I've got va vested interest because I've also bought a new message centre IPK... I wonder if Test Book is a bit tempremental? When my car was new, the Rover dealer replaced the light switch module because the headlights were permanently on, but they had a right job programming the new light switch to the car. IIRC it took 3 attempts before it would configure correctly, but once done it was fine (and has been for 8 years). Good luck! Pete.

4th March 2009, 18:16	#3
JohnDotCom * Rover 75 FaceLift Tourer CDTi 170BHP Auto ConnSE 2005 Model Starlight Silver Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Abergele Posts: 28,735 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	If you have had a Remap or a Tuning box installed this can cause many problems with T4. It may take the Technician a few attempts. Turn off Synergy or any other device before matching up. Mine is a pig to get T4 to work sometimes, but have a Custom Re Map and Synergy fitted. Of course could be just down to not knowing how to use the T4 properly, many don't.

4th March 2009, 20:46	#8
Simon Banned - Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: - Posts: 10,318 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	I think the problems lie with the operator of the T4 machine rather than any problems with cars or machinery etc. It is my understanding that whoever operates the machine simply needs to ensure the correct options are enabled on the car when the new pack is installed along with selecting the "Highline Instrument Pack" option. The mileage/VIN back-up data is read back from the LSM and re-coded onto the new IPK. Assuming all goes to plan then you should have the IPK set-up and showing correct information in (as Dragrad says) the time it takes to drink a cup of coffee There is nothing whatsoever with regards to mechanical, electrical, wiring etc etc differences that will stop a highline instrument pack being installed on any derivative of car.

4th March 2009, 20:49	#9
SPARKIE 51 Regular poster MG ZT 190+ Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: CAMBS Posts: 34 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	message center ipk thanks for info David, will post again after ipk fitted, ROB

4th March 2009, 20:58	#10
SPARKIE 51 Regular poster MG ZT 190+ Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: CAMBS Posts: 34 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	HI SIMON, your comments on this matter are music to my ears, just what i wanted to hear,you made a zt and his slave very happy, cheers buddy, this is the best forum on the planet, no mistake,