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Old 25th August 2018, 08:06   #21
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I personally think it is disgusting to charge people that live in the emission zone. Those travelling in, still not convinced its right as they already pay road fund licence and tax on fuel and car maintenance.

I appreciate that pollution has to be cut and the way to do this is with new emission standards for new vehicles, financial incentives such as huge discounts on emission compliant vehicles, this gives people more of a freedom of choice to change. This emission for those living in the area is so unfair

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Old 25th August 2018, 08:31   #22
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sorry you like what?
I think Artemis is saying that he likes living in London Ian. I think it was his response to Trikey's view that he wouldn't.
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It's all about raising tax revenue Ian; nothing to do with fairness!

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Old 25th August 2018, 09:23   #23
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I’ve just had a look and the charge is the same but different Euro emissions standards apply to petrol and Diesel engines. It’s all part of the master plan to force us to keep the automotive industry profitable by buying hybrid or electric vehicles.

As the OP says, the zone is being extended in London to the north and south circular roads. How long before other cities follow suit? Will London further extend to the M25 (rhetorical question)?

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I read a piece a few months ago that said 44 other Cities/Towns across the UK have applied for 'Clean air zone' status.
The reason being if they didn't they would then fall foul of being over agreed EU emission limits themselves.
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Old 25th August 2018, 09:44   #24
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As the OP says, the zone is being extended in London to the north and south circular roads. How long before other cities follow suit? Will London further extend to the M25 (rhetorical question)?

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The “Mayor” cannot extend it out to the M25 because it’s outside his area of control, ie take the Dartford crossing area, it’s in Thurrock Essex and Dartford Kent.
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It’s a witch hunt against car drivers and of course a very easy revenue stream.

I read an article last week that “wood burning stoves “ generated twice the particulate output of all the diesels currently in use in the UK .

Wonder if they will be next on the revenue raising list? Perhaps not as no registration number to photograph and send a fine to!
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Old 25th August 2018, 10:38   #26
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Wonder if they will be next on the revenue raising list? Perhaps not as no registration number to photograph and send a fine to!
no but the houses they are in all have numbers on them!
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Another option is for me to swap the 1998 V6 for a ULEZ compliant Rover 75 in good nick
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I read an article last week that “wood burning stoves “ generated twice the particulate output of all the diesels currently in use in the UK .
That’s a very good point Steve, but it’s not just diesels that are being targeted now.
I wonder why the London Mayor isn’t concerned about the untreated pollution from all our gas central heating boilers?

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Its a blue coller (working class) tax , the rich/well off have a choice of using their petrol/diesel car or buying the latest eco-friendly alternative . They have the cash to do both if they want, those that cant afford that will have a choice of walking or catching a bus thats if they can pay the increased fares . How long will it be before that sort of thinking spreads from London to the rest of the UK ? Its nothing more than a witch hunt and the motorist is being blamed for contributing to the bull$hit lie that is global warming , the biggest conspiracy that governments are lining their pockets with.
Blue collar, (working class) tax, what nonsense!

The terms "blue collar" and "white collar" are occupational classifications that distinguish workers who perform manual labour from workers who perform professional jobs. Historically, blue-collar workers wore uniforms, usually blue, and worked in trade occupations. White-collar workers typically wore white shirts, and worked in office settings. Other aspects that distinguish blue-collar and white-collar workers include earnings and education level, i.e. white collar worker better educated and paid more. Today that is not necessarily the case as many "white collar" workers earn less than some "blue collar" workers

So they all pay tax and in my experience higher earners, ( white or blue collar) have more outgoings e.g. larger mortgages, more expensive cars, possibly school fees. So you can't say one type of worker worker may have more disposable income and be more able to pay than any other.

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People who live in London should be excluded from these charges simply because they have no choice. I mean, if I choose to drive into London in my CDTi I would expect to pay, it would be my choice! But to force someone into selling their car is WRONG imho
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