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Old 26th October 2021, 20:47   #131
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For the last 30 years and more (I worked for Reading Buses - the last (?) remaining Council owned municipal bus operator), the then Chairman has been council Lead Officer for Transport recently, he and some of the upper admin staff all making decisions about traffic management, tearing up perfectly good roundabouts and putting in very undynamic traffic lights - lord don’t get me too wound up - what I meant to say was the key players in all this, have never held a driving licence.
I’m lucky I live just outside the Borough boundary and I rarely have to go there.
But I work in the dead centre of Oxford, on shifts providing public transport, and the new Oxford ULEZ threatens to make me walk the last mile to work.
We’ve just bought the wife a Euro 6 petrol motor so I guess she’ll have to start driving my Previa if it comes in too soon!
Not against the principle of LEZs but for gods sake give us a proper alternative - ie in cost, convenience and in the case of 24/7 shift workers - 24/7 buses….


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Old 26th October 2021, 21:05   #132
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You are naughty Ravinder, he said " educated idiots" and education has never been a shield against idiocy. ChrisS.

I agree - but not being educated does not necessarily lead to wisdom!

Christopher - I think you have confused me with Ravinder, a handsome youg singh from the hills of Scotland. In contrast, I am Maninder - a grumpy old dog (according to the mrs) from Suffolk. I think young Ravinder would be most disappointed to find himself being confused with myself.
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Old 26th October 2021, 22:49   #133
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I am reminded of a Winston Churchill quote-
“I would rather argue with a hundred idiots than have one of them agree with me”
I would apply this statement to all the policy makers who have no idea of how they are actually going to implement their grand ideas.
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Old 27th October 2021, 09:29   #134
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Not against the principle of LEZs but for gods sake give us a proper alternative - ie in cost, convenience and in the case of 24/7 shift workers - 24/7 buses….


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I agree. There needs to be proper investment in infrastructure and services. We've been going in the wrong direction for many years.
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Old 1st November 2021, 15:05   #135
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I’ve just had a look and the charge is the same but different Euro emissions standards apply to petrol and Diesel engines. It’s all part of the master plan to force us to keep the automotive industry profitable by buying hybrid or electric vehicles.

As the OP says, the zone is being extended in London to the north and south circular roads. How long before other cities follow suit? Will London further extend to the M25 (rhetorical question)?

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I do feel very sorry for those living and working within a stone's throw of those great mobile car parks around the metropolis. However, we regretfully elect these policy-making morons, or not, then sit back and watch them impose all kinds of rules and regulations which in the short term appear to be a good idea, but who knows?.

What is the projected income to London from the taxes proposed , annually and where is this money going to be spent?, health, road improvements, tackling climate change, other important social issues, or a new aircraft carrier?.

It's a tough decision and frankly unfair, if the government wants drivers to help improve the environment then they should incentivise us to purchase affordable electric cars, talk to the manufacturers.

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Old 1st November 2021, 15:22   #136
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It's a tough decision and frankly unfair, if the government wants drivers to help improve the environment then they should incentivise us to purchase affordable electric cars, talk to the manufacturers.
Why should I and many others through the taxes that are imposed on us pay you, ie incentivise, more than no VED at present and no fuel duties at present together with the discounted price because it is an EV?
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Old 1st November 2021, 18:56   #137
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With EV vehicles, when there is more EV vehicles on the roads there will be a tipping point when the govt will stop charging.fuel excise tax and start charging
as per how many miles you travel in the car.
In the end, we will all be paying the industrialists to build this brave new world.
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Old 1st November 2021, 23:24   #138
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I have a feeling that the “pay per mile scheme “ will be in addition to the tax on fuel, so that ICE vehicles will be paying both taxes !
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Old 2nd November 2021, 15:13   #139
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Maninder I think Ive made the same mistake a couple of years ago-sorry old chap. its just years. I must try harder. same to Ravinder up "there" Chris S.
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With EV vehicles, when there is more EV vehicles on the roads there will be a tipping point when the govt will stop charging.fuel excise tax and start charging
as per how many miles you travel in the car.
In the end, we will all be paying the industrialists to build this brave new world.

I think we'll be seeing road pricing sooner rather than later based on distance travelled as the government are looking at a £40billion shortfall from VED. https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/com...lop-scheme-now
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