Alternative to Diesel, is it viable?

macafee2 · 12th February 2023, 21:25

Alternative to Diesel.
Just been watching Guy Martins Great British Power Trip.
In it he reveals an alternative to Diesel is HVO, Hydrotreated Vegetable Oil, i'm I sure some will know about it. From the searches I have done via Google, it would seem our diesels can use HVO.
The Guy Martin program alas said, HVO is 40p a litre more than diesel but 90% less C02 emissions.
If HVO was used as much as diesel, I wonder what the price would be and is HVO a viable alternative? If costs were to come down and it is viable, you have to ask why it is not being pushed.

macafee2

Robson Rover Repair · 12th February 2023, 22:36

You need to look at the farm able surface required per litre, that's usually the killer, along with the external power and pollution from production of the oil.

It's a similar situation to hydrogen, its about 9% of the world's hydrogen is currently made from green energy, now that will self solve in time and grow with adoption.

Also 40ppl when diesel is already 25ppl more expensive? No one will have diesel cars, and then ironically the cost will come down with demand, making lorries and vans easier to run.

E-diesel by audi could have, and should have been the future. Water based diesel. But after the VAG emissions scandle that killed everything associated with it. They even had the German transport minister running an a8 exclusively using e diesel as his ministerial car.

Lancpudn · 13th February 2023, 08:52

There's an announcement tomorrow on the Euro 7 standard & a range of transport energy taxation & new regulations revolving around stricter emissions.
I've been reading that e-fuels will play no part in heavy duty HGV transport vehicles.

"The EU is concentrating on battery-electric solutions and hydrogen; e-fuels, for which some German politicians wanted a loophole to be left open, play no role in the Commission’s draft. Fire brigade and military vehicles could be the only exception."
https://www.electrive.com/2023/02/08...cle-emissions/

There is already a big brouhaha going on about food v fuel with the EU already burning the equivalent of 19 million bottles of rapeseed-sunflower oil per day

https://www.transportenvironment.org...y-day-in-cars/

bl52krz · 13th February 2023, 14:24

Well my car runs on diesel and nothing else. All these so called ‘alternatives’ is just pie in the sky. Now, if I could probably buy a ballon, it would fill up with hot air. There is enough about to run a diesel for ever. Amen

12th February 2023, 21:25	#1
macafee2 This is my second home Rover 75 Saloon & Tourer Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Lincoln Posts: 14,938 Thanks: 1,630 Thanked 3,032 Times in 2,181 Posts	Alternative to Diesel, is it viable? Alternative to Diesel. Just been watching Guy Martins Great British Power Trip. In it he reveals an alternative to Diesel is HVO, Hydrotreated Vegetable Oil, i'm I sure some will know about it. From the searches I have done via Google, it would seem our diesels can use HVO. The Guy Martin program alas said, HVO is 40p a litre more than diesel but 90% less C02 emissions. If HVO was used as much as diesel, I wonder what the price would be and is HVO a viable alternative? If costs were to come down and it is viable, you have to ask why it is not being pushed. macafee2

12th February 2023, 22:36	#2
Robson Rover Repair NI/ROI RS ZT-T 190 / 75 Diesel x3 / 6 door limo / 216 Cabby / Rover 25 van Join Date: May 2009 Location: Antrim Posts: 8,104 Thanks: 299 Thanked 1,046 Times in 568 Posts	You need to look at the farm able surface required per litre, that's usually the killer, along with the external power and pollution from production of the oil. It's a similar situation to hydrogen, its about 9% of the world's hydrogen is currently made from green energy, now that will self solve in time and grow with adoption. Also 40ppl when diesel is already 25ppl more expensive? No one will have diesel cars, and then ironically the cost will come down with demand, making lorries and vans easier to run. E-diesel by audi could have, and should have been the future. Water based diesel. But after the VAG emissions scandle that killed everything associated with it. They even had the German transport minister running an a8 exclusively using e diesel as his ministerial car. __________________ Cheers, Colin Robson Rover Repair on Youtube DISCOUNTED MTEC BRAKES FOR ALL MG ROVER'S Braided hoses, more coating and pad options for 2024

13th February 2023, 08:52	#3
Lancpudn This is my second home MG ZS EV Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Lancashire Posts: 15,632 Thanks: 4,591 Thanked 3,427 Times in 2,565 Posts	There's an announcement tomorrow on the Euro 7 standard & a range of transport energy taxation & new regulations revolving around stricter emissions. I've been reading that e-fuels will play no part in heavy duty HGV transport vehicles. "The EU is concentrating on battery-electric solutions and hydrogen; e-fuels, for which some German politicians wanted a loophole to be left open, play no role in the Commission’s draft. Fire brigade and military vehicles could be the only exception." https://www.electrive.com/2023/02/08...cle-emissions/ There is already a big brouhaha going on about food v fuel with the EU already burning the equivalent of 19 million bottles of rapeseed-sunflower oil per day https://www.transportenvironment.org...y-day-in-cars/ __________________ Blessed are the tea makers. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3b...auto-2000_auto

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bl52krz This is my second home Rover 75 cdt club + Rover 2.5 KV6 Conni SE Join Date: May 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 11,397 Thanks: 6,587 Thanked 2,262 Times in 1,729 Posts	Well my car runs on diesel and nothing else. All these so called ‘alternatives’ is just pie in the sky. Now, if I could probably buy a ballon, it would fill up with hot air. There is enough about to run a diesel for ever. Amen __________________ Great Barr, Birmingham.