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Old 17th August 2019, 16:55   #51
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It is the price to change to the new car that is important, not what you get for the part exchange, obv iously you don't want to give the thing away, walking away is the right thing.
I agree - I work out what I want to spend and I donít mind what I get for my car - or what a pay for the new one. The actual figures are irrelevant to me - only what I have to fork out to do the deal really matters.

That said - I get a better deal generally by selling privately.
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Old 17th August 2019, 17:00   #52
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On the simple question of car expense my general rule of thumb is what I paid for it plus the running costs since I've had it divided by the number of years I've had it.
Then comes the hard bit. If I fancy another will I be better off, like it as much, and will I have to go through all that again. Then, finally, why?
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Old 17th August 2019, 18:03   #53
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Oh yeah! - and the EU pays its farmers no subsidies at all!!!
I'm not sure I ever suggested they didn't?
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Old 17th August 2019, 21:17   #54
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I'm not sure I ever suggested they didn't?
Apologies if I misinterpreted your words - but my response was to what I thought was a clear inference that US farmers received subsidies such that it gave them an advantage.
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Old 17th August 2019, 21:30   #55
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Apologies if I misinterpreted your words - but my response was to what I thought was a clear inference that US farmers received subsidies such that it gave them an advantage.
It's a benefit, if you like, what it's purpose is is probably very similar to other help given to farmers in many other parts of the world.
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Old 18th August 2019, 10:02   #56
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It's a benefit, if you like, what it's purpose is is probably very similar to other help given to farmers in many other parts of the world.
As I understand it in the US - only certain arable crops such as wheat, cotton, corn(what we call maize or “sweet corn”) and rice PRODUCTION benefit from any subsidy.

Meat producers - as well as other produce such as walnuts, peanuts etc get no direct subsidy at all. I think I am correct in saying that the only benefit these farmers get is a federal government backed disaster insurance scheme that they still have to purchase via normal insurance outlets.

Some years ago we were asked to do a risk assessment for a backer who was considering entering that market as a Re-insurer.

So we got to know a bit about US agriculture - and of course compare it to how things are done in the EU.

I would summarise it like this:-

In the US certain important world wide arable crop production (as listed above) do get subsidies because the US provides a huge proportion of the worlds calorific requirement for “grain”. So subsidies in the US are limited and linked to production.

The EU in comparison pays Farmers a subsidy based upon the number of hectares of land they own or use. So NOT a system based on production - car from it!

The money flows regardless of what you do on the land.
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A car is worth what you're prepared to put into it. I put a lot of money into mine because they're worth alot to me (Bones in particular), and no Arthur Daley salesman is going to persuade me otherwise.
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Old 18th August 2019, 11:54   #58
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A car is worth what you're prepared to put into it. I put a lot of money into mine because they're worth alot to me (Bones in particular), and no Arthur Daley salesman is going to persuade me otherwise.
Itís also the utility value to you that is important. I suppose my ZTT is worth about a grand? supposing I could find someone who wants it?

But as a load lugger and long distance cruiser I am not sure I could easily replace it.

My LRís were the same but with their awesome towing ability thrown in.

If I sold my ZTT - I ask myself what would I replace it with?

Currently it owes me nothing.
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A car is worth what you're prepared to put into it. I put a lot of money into mine because they're worth alot to me (Bones in particular), and no Arthur Daley salesman is going to persuade me otherwise.
My nephew recently became an MG owner for the very first time... aged fifty!.

He scratched an itch in the form of buying a very tidy 02 MG TF for a bag of sand ... a grand.

His daily driver is a VW. Had cutch and sensor issues recently and that cost rather more to rectify than he paid for the MG TF.

These things are relative and obviously value of the cars do play a part in deciding not to rectify. However, I wonder what he will do if the little MGF needs say £400 to pass the MoT sometime in the future. Having driven both his cars, I know what I would keep now his children are around adult age.

He loves the little car and so does his good lady.

Moral... never too late to buy your first MG...

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It’s also the utility value...

If I sold my ZTT - I ask myself what would I replace it with?

Currently it owes me nothing.

Precisely. My cars owe me the same. Some will accuse them of being "Shed" that is until I give them a lift or let them drive them. Then it's a rapid change of mind.
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Some, that's some, of my early cars had a certain romantic association that sort of compelled a nostalgic attachment that kind of needed a lengthy time lapse before moving them on could be contemplated.

My thanks to Austin Cambridge 388RMH, Sunbeam Alpine APB611B and Rover 2000 UOY961F (my first Rover P6) for the memories, wherever they are. I just hope the same memories for the same cars do not occur to anyone reading this.
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