INFO: Inner + Outer Tie rods - Page 2

d_a_n1979 · 25th January 2012, 09:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kedaha

Should have been more clear: Do these sit under one of the bellows, and if so: Is the bellows filled with grease and does it need to be replaced with the inner tie rod?

Rimmers drawing is completely useless and the days are too short for me to get under the car!

Probably have been better to start a new thread...

But...

AFAIK no; I replaced both L & R inner tie rods recently with these items off eBay: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2205208978...84.m1423.l2649

Exactly the same as the VW Sharan item etc...

It may be an idea to replace the CV boots etc but that's it; no need to load with grease (I may be wrong but mine didnt need this doing)

Keith · 15th July 2012, 08:49

I found this thread might have answered my own needs but on buying one I can confirm they are too short for the V8

no doubt a longer one is available.

Once I have my repairs sorted I may look into it.

The only other observation as can be seen in the pictures
The original are not supposed to be replaced hence no flats to allow them to be unscrewed

They are fitted to the rack then spot welded to lock them.
Easy enough the undo with a pair of Stilsons but something like Locktite must be used when fitting the replacement unless you can do another spot weld.

kaiser · 15th July 2012, 09:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith

I found this thread might have answered my own needs but on buying one I can confirm they are too short for the V8

no doubt a longer one is available.

Once I have my repairs sorted I may look into it.

The only other observation as can be seen in the pictures
The original are not supposed to be replaced hence no flats to allow them to be unscrewed

They are fitted to the rack then spot welded to lock them.
Easy enough the undo with a pair of Stilsons but something like Locktite must be used when fitting the replacement unless you can do another spot weld.

The V8 units are identical except 30mm longer. All of which is on the round rod.

Keith · 16th July 2012, 08:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaiser

The V8 units are identical except 30mm longer. All of which is on the round rod.

Yes I know that now so do you know the correct Delphi part number?

Trophy Blue Tourer · 16th July 2012, 10:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaiser

The V8 units are identical except 30mm longer. All of which is on the round rod.

So get a machine shop to make you up a 30mm extension??

Much more cost efective than a new rack!!

Andy

kaiser · 16th July 2012, 15:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trophy Blue Tourer

So get a machine shop to make you up a 30mm extension??

Much more cost efective than a new rack!!

Andy

Exactement! I cut 30 mm out of the old unit, and cut the shorter rod. Chamfered all 4 ends 45 degrees and welded in the section, let it cool while using a wet rag on the ball joint.
For those that are not keen on that, there are options of threading or of welding a sleeve on the outside.
The original unit has a waist cut into it, and it will break here if subjected to abnormal force. Mine did.

There is little option of forcing the ball out of the socket, it has been crimped using several tons. So the extension, one way or the other, seems to me the only realistic option, in the absence of the original item.

mamasboy · 16th July 2012, 19:28

May be worth adding the Seat Alhambra parts are the same

mamasboy · 20th July 2012, 18:54

can the inner ties be changed in situ or does the steering rack need to come out?

steveo · 20th July 2012, 19:05

Hi

These can be removed with the rack in situ but a special tool is required

Regards

Steve

mamasboy · 20th July 2012, 19:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by steveo

Hi

These can be removed with the rack in situ but a special tool is required

Regards

Steve

Dont be a tease Steve, what tool

16th July 2012, 19:28	#17
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20th July 2012, 18:54	#18
mamasboy RS South East Ford fester... blah.... Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Hastings Posts: 2,900 Thanks: 29 Thanked 78 Times in 42 Posts	can the inner ties be changed in situ or does the steering rack need to come out? __________________ the name's Bernard but you can call me nursie......

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15th July 2012, 08:49	#12
Keith This is my second home ZT400 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Ellesmere Posts: 5,948 Thanks: 0 Thanked 43 Times in 29 Posts	I found this thread might have answered my own needs but on buying one I can confirm they are too short for the V8 no doubt a longer one is available. Once I have my repairs sorted I may look into it. The only other observation as can be seen in the pictures The original are not supposed to be replaced hence no flats to allow them to be unscrewed They are fitted to the rack then spot welded to lock them. Easy enough the undo with a pair of Stilsons but something like Locktite must be used when fitting the replacement unless you can do another spot weld.