Scottish independence. - Page 60

Pistonbroke666 · 19th September 2014, 07:05

Traditionally, the UK is not a fan of nationalistic politics and jingoism doesn't have a big following.

When the 'you're not Scottish if you vote no' vibe permeated through social media I am sure many swing voters were alarmed.

That is not to imply that jingoism was a core of the yes campaign, it is merely to state that I feel UK voters maintain an aversion to it.

Moving forward, I think a new constitutional arrangement is needed for the whole union and not just a part of it. The yes vote may have lost but by no means should they be ignored lest we open the door to neverendums and 'the troubles'.

Georgies Dad · 19th September 2014, 07:15

As were are "The United Kingdom"

Why not have a system where everyone has the same laws.same rules,same taxation,same benefits and welfare system,no matter which part of the United Kingdom you live in,sounds easy, if everything was equal ,there would be nothing to moan about.

Sorry that only applies to Utopia

MangoMan · 19th September 2014, 07:26

The way I look at it is that about 1.2% of the electorate decided the outcome...

Personally, I think it's a sad day for Scotland. For all they say and moan about the government in the end they STILL basically believed, (fooled) and voted for them!

There are going to be a lot of angry people in Scotland today!

GT Courier · 19th September 2014, 07:41

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Originally Posted by MangoMan

The way I look at it is that about 1.2% of the electorate decided the outcome...

Personally, I think it's a sad day for Scotland. For all they say and moan about the government in the end they STILL basically believed, (fooled) and voted for them!

There are going to be a lot of angry people in Scotland today!

That makes no sense to me!

2/3s of the population didn't vote 'yes'

The majority got what it wanted? (Well voted for, which is highly debatable of course)

Are you saying that 55% of Scots are fools (or have been fooled?)

If so I don't think they will realise it as quickly as today!

Simondi · 19th September 2014, 07:59

It's called democracy. You don't always get what you want but you respect the decision made by the majority.

As to the promises made. Time will tell. If Westminster have lied and do not deliver then I think the whole issue will rise again.

I hope not. We need to build but the ball is in Westminsters hands

keithybhoy · 19th September 2014, 08:00

Im gutted and all i will say is this "the no voters do not know what they have done"

Gman2 · 19th September 2014, 08:02

Interesting breakdown of the stats - the heartland of the "Yes" campaigns at best pooled a 55% vote in favour - 4 regions in total voted for Independence. 28 regions voted "No" with Shetland & Orkney and The Borders voting 67% in favour of staying in the UK. Fairly emphatic IMO. At least it wasn't marginal for either side as that would have caused some major issues. I think we need to bury all these predictions of "trouble ahead" and I'm sure we'll all pull through this and the UK will be a stronger and better represented country as a result.

topman · 19th September 2014, 08:07

No great surprise % overall (bookies paying out were the big clue). Surprised how few areas overall voted YES 4 out of 32.

FLYER · 19th September 2014, 08:34

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Originally Posted by keithybhoy

Im gutted and all i will say is this "the no voters do not know what they have done"

They have voted for more of the same .

They took the sweeties the nice man offered.

The chance has passed.

We must now get on with it.

neilb740 · 19th September 2014, 08:39

Well,, That means another Liebour socialist government for England at the next general election

. The SNP vote will all go their way.

Nowhere near enough time to sort out an English parliament before the next election, if it ever happens at all which I seriously doubt!

Start the sweepstake now! im going for the UK bankrupt again by 2019.

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Simondi Regional Secretary MGTF, MG ZS EV Exclusive Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Kilwinning Posts: 14,046 Thanks: 1,460 Thanked 3,563 Times in 1,857 Posts	It's called democracy. You don't always get what you want but you respect the decision made by the majority. As to the promises made. Time will tell. If Westminster have lied and do not deliver then I think the whole issue will rise again. I hope not. We need to build but the ball is in Westminsters hands __________________ Simondi FAQ How do you do that? Club Flyers Looking for a car seen in a film or on TV? Fancy a change in colour or wheels - paint configurator OBD - Trip Meter Ultimate Buyers Guide Post YouTube videos

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Pistonbroke666 Posted a thing or two MG ZT 1.8T, MG GS Exclusive Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Grays Essex Posts: 1,809 Thanks: 100 Thanked 282 Times in 205 Posts	Traditionally, the UK is not a fan of nationalistic politics and jingoism doesn't have a big following. When the 'you're not Scottish if you vote no' vibe permeated through social media I am sure many swing voters were alarmed. That is not to imply that jingoism was a core of the yes campaign, it is merely to state that I feel UK voters maintain an aversion to it. Moving forward, I think a new constitutional arrangement is needed for the whole union and not just a part of it. The yes vote may have lost but by no means should they be ignored lest we open the door to neverendums and 'the troubles'.

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keithybhoy Banned MG ZT-T190 Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Glasgow Posts: 1,020 Thanks: 114 Thanked 97 Times in 74 Posts	Im gutted and all i will say is this "the no voters do not know what they have done"

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Gman2 Posted a thing or two ZTT+ 1.8T, mgf 1.8 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Warrington Posts: 1,550 Thanks: 28 Thanked 65 Times in 42 Posts	Interesting breakdown of the stats - the heartland of the "Yes" campaigns at best pooled a 55% vote in favour - 4 regions in total voted for Independence. 28 regions voted "No" with Shetland & Orkney and The Borders voting 67% in favour of staying in the UK. Fairly emphatic IMO. At least it wasn't marginal for either side as that would have caused some major issues. I think we need to bury all these predictions of "trouble ahead" and I'm sure we'll all pull through this and the UK will be a stronger and better represented country as a result.

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topman This is my second home MG ZT-T 190 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Lincolnshire Posts: 5,493 Thanks: 372 Thanked 647 Times in 534 Posts	No great surprise % overall (bookies paying out were the big clue). Surprised how few areas overall voted YES 4 out of 32.

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neilb740 I really should get out more....... MG ZT 1.8 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Crewe Posts: 2,298 Thanks: 110 Thanked 362 Times in 237 Posts	Well,, That means another Liebour socialist government for England at the next general election . The SNP vote will all go their way. Nowhere near enough time to sort out an English parliament before the next election, if it ever happens at all which I seriously doubt! Start the sweepstake now! im going for the UK bankrupt again by 2019.