Moving from a 75 to a beemer; thoughts - Page 2

hrissim · 13th February 2018, 07:17

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Originally Posted by mss

I for one never really see the point of comparing cars that were designed/produced 10+ years apart.

The Rovers are what they are - that is why some of us love them whilst most do not.

I would expect a modern 3 series, an A4, a C-class etc. to be more powerful, as comfortable and more of a drivers car than the 75. Yet I could not see myself in a BMW below a 5 series, an Audi or a Mercedes below an E-Class.

I am perfectly happy with my 75's as everyday cars. I would be perfectly happy with a Mondeo estate.

It's all about what sort of statement a person wants to make about himself to himself in life.

Well said mate, well said.

rustymotor · 13th February 2018, 07:41

I'm not keen on the 3 series either though, economical but costly to repair and service on the other hand I personally wouldn't have a KV6 engine car. The 75's are well built cars and a better friend in a collision than most euro box rubbish on the roads..each to his own though.

macafee2 · 13th February 2018, 08:50

For some we love an older car. Yes we may like more power, gizmos, better cornering but we may want them in our car, not another car.
Just for the fuel saving do enough miles I can understand the change.
Some of the op's comments make me wonder, joining a motorway and going up hill. Heck I drive a CDT with a caravan on the back and don't have trouble joining a motorway.
The most important thing is that the BMW is liked and not a regretted purchase. I hope you continue to enjoy it.

As for modern interiors, "any colour you like as long as it's black", gizmos, I'd never remember how to use them all

macafee2

bazyerma · 13th February 2018, 09:31

Well I only bought my ZTT as I was looking for a BMW 330 estate, but could not find one, and the MG was just too good a deal and car to turn down.

But I have always preferred Rwd cars so still on the look out for the right BMW.....

spongeh · 13th February 2018, 09:48

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Originally Posted by macafee2

As for modern interiors, "any colour you like as long as it's black", gizmos, I'd never remember how to use them all

macafee2

While they're usually black our E92 M Sport Coupe is defiantly a bit brighter... I refer to it as Liberaces boudoir, which annoys my son no end

Graham1961 · 13th February 2018, 11:00

I like the F10 BMW 3 series, but you can't compare it to a 75 which is much older, the new Beemer will perform better and handle the bends in a more dynamic manner as they are drivers cars, one thing i do feel is many German makers have chased the mass market with smaller models...eg 1 series, A class, A1s etc which i think has diluted their once premium image.

The 75 and the 3 series were in the same market, but appealed to different tastes with the 75 being comfort biased and the 3 series towards sharp handling.

Both cars are very good at what they were designed to do.

The important thing is you are happy with the BMW.

RPWC · 13th February 2018, 11:05

The Beemer's a very class act; economical, comfortable and goes like a train. I can see why people flock to it.

But it has absolutely no character whatsoever.
I could easily be driving a Cortina. My sentiments exactly, re my Insignia. It has all the above, but no character, a lovely comfortable car, reliable, but boring.!
I miss my Rover, but sadly we dont have the space for 3 vehicles, hard enough with 2.

Anon3 · 13th February 2018, 19:51

Thanks for the comments all

Perhaps I should have mentioned that it's an Xdrive.
We actually had snow yesterday and it was a really good experience being one of the only ones in the fast lane. I hasten to add that I wasn't being daft, but the car just felt incredibly sure-footed.

Xdrive wasn't something I really wanted, as it now means I have to worry about a rear axle and CV joints to go wrong.
Which is where I totally accept the "too many gizmos to go wrong" pov.
Still, I'm sure it'll come in handy on maybe 3 days a year, haha.

The reason I ended up with an Xdrive was because I found it incredibly difficult to buy a Beemer that doesn't have a black interior.
I specifically wanted Oyster seats, similar to the beige interior of the Rover.
I totally agree with the "black interior" comment and if that had been my only option, I just wouldn't have bought a Beemer.

Where I'm minded to disagree with some of the comments though, is about the ride.
Yes, it's sporty.
And I now see why the 75's steering was judged as a weak point.
But comparing my Rover, which has recently had new springs all round, to the Beemer, there's a big difference. The Rover is very crashy on serious potholes and the Beemer simply isn't.
It feels like there's a big difference in unsprung weight to me, but what do I know?

All that said, the Beemer, even though it's an M Sport, is really quite basic.
The (biased, imo) press talk about plenty of soft surfaces in the interior. Erm, where?
No power mirrors, which I thought was standard on any car now (the missus' Juke has them).
No headlamp washers.
No rear sunblind.

A comment I made to a workmate, related my first impressions.
The Rover cost around £26k in 2001.
The Beemer was around £31k in 2015.
And it shows. As I said, the Rover's a much better place to be.

But, wow, the autobox on the Beemer is an absolute delight.
Silky smooth and in sixth at just 30 mph!
Changing to manual mode is a hoot and gentle acceleration means you're pulling on the stick like an F1 driver

Which will soon prove tedious, unless you're caning the guts out of it.
And then there's the thought of the cost of a replacement if it breaks

Point definitely taken on the cost of major repairs.

Still, I also accept the point that the choice of car comes down to what you think of yourself.
I've always driven older cars and never seen the sense in buying anything particularly new.
But I'm now mid 50's and still working 7 days a week.
Tbh, I just think I'm entitled to drive something a bit newer these days.
It's nothing to do with showing off and more about practicality.

I hope that answers most points.

One thing is for sure.
I'll always have an affinity for BL/Rover. It's in the blood, I reckon.
And I suspect I'll seriously miss the 75 later down the line.
Oh well.

keithst24 · 13th February 2018, 19:55

Least you won't need to use your indicators anymore

Anon3 · 13th February 2018, 20:16

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Originally Posted by keithst24

Least you won't need to use your indicators anymore

Haha, I can assure you my road manners are mostly impeccable (we all have off days, I'm sure).
Although in fairness, one of my first comments was that I now knew why BMW drivers seem like headless chickens.
They're too busy trying to work all the superfluous gizmos out!

13th February 2018, 07:41	#12
rustymotor Posted a thing or two Rover 75 Tourer Join Date: May 2017 Location: Hull Posts: 1,848 Thanks: 216 Thanked 432 Times in 340 Posts	I'm not keen on the 3 series either though, economical but costly to repair and service on the other hand I personally wouldn't have a KV6 engine car. The 75's are well built cars and a better friend in a collision than most euro box rubbish on the roads..each to his own though. Last edited by rustymotor; 13th February 2018 at 07:51..

13th February 2018, 11:00	#16
Graham1961 Moderator / RS East Scotland Rover 75 1.8 Conn Se saloon Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: North Berwick, East Lothian Posts: 4,738 Thanks: 4,143 Thanked 753 Times in 563 Posts	I like the F10 BMW 3 series, but you can't compare it to a 75 which is much older, the new Beemer will perform better and handle the bends in a more dynamic manner as they are drivers cars, one thing i do feel is many German makers have chased the mass market with smaller models...eg 1 series, A class, A1s etc which i think has diluted their once premium image. The 75 and the 3 series were in the same market, but appealed to different tastes with the 75 being comfort biased and the 3 series towards sharp handling. Both cars are very good at what they were designed to do. The important thing is you are happy with the BMW. __________________ Graham.

13th February 2018, 11:05	#17
RPWC This is my second home 75 model car Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 20,177 Thanks: 4,008 Thanked 5,083 Times in 3,114 Posts	The Beemer's a very class act; economical, comfortable and goes like a train. I can see why people flock to it. But it has absolutely no character whatsoever. I could easily be driving a Cortina. My sentiments exactly, re my Insignia. It has all the above, but no character, a lovely comfortable car, reliable, but boring.! I miss my Rover, but sadly we dont have the space for 3 vehicles, hard enough with 2. __________________ Cheers. Rich…

13th February 2018, 19:51	#18
Anon3 Posted a thing or two Rover 75 Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Birmingham Posts: 1,392 Thanks: 199 Thanked 219 Times in 187 Posts	Thanks for the comments all Perhaps I should have mentioned that it's an Xdrive. We actually had snow yesterday and it was a really good experience being one of the only ones in the fast lane. I hasten to add that I wasn't being daft, but the car just felt incredibly sure-footed. Xdrive wasn't something I really wanted, as it now means I have to worry about a rear axle and CV joints to go wrong. Which is where I totally accept the "too many gizmos to go wrong" pov. Still, I'm sure it'll come in handy on maybe 3 days a year, haha. The reason I ended up with an Xdrive was because I found it incredibly difficult to buy a Beemer that doesn't have a black interior. I specifically wanted Oyster seats, similar to the beige interior of the Rover. I totally agree with the "black interior" comment and if that had been my only option, I just wouldn't have bought a Beemer. Where I'm minded to disagree with some of the comments though, is about the ride. Yes, it's sporty. And I now see why the 75's steering was judged as a weak point. But comparing my Rover, which has recently had new springs all round, to the Beemer, there's a big difference. The Rover is very crashy on serious potholes and the Beemer simply isn't. It feels like there's a big difference in unsprung weight to me, but what do I know? All that said, the Beemer, even though it's an M Sport, is really quite basic. The (biased, imo) press talk about plenty of soft surfaces in the interior. Erm, where? No power mirrors, which I thought was standard on any car now (the missus' Juke has them). No headlamp washers. No rear sunblind. A comment I made to a workmate, related my first impressions. The Rover cost around £26k in 2001. The Beemer was around £31k in 2015. And it shows. As I said, the Rover's a much better place to be. But, wow, the autobox on the Beemer is an absolute delight. Silky smooth and in sixth at just 30 mph! Changing to manual mode is a hoot and gentle acceleration means you're pulling on the stick like an F1 driver Which will soon prove tedious, unless you're caning the guts out of it. And then there's the thought of the cost of a replacement if it breaks Point definitely taken on the cost of major repairs. Still, I also accept the point that the choice of car comes down to what you think of yourself. I've always driven older cars and never seen the sense in buying anything particularly new. But I'm now mid 50's and still working 7 days a week. Tbh, I just think I'm entitled to drive something a bit newer these days. It's nothing to do with showing off and more about practicality. I hope that answers most points. One thing is for sure. I'll always have an affinity for BL/Rover. It's in the blood, I reckon. And I suspect I'll seriously miss the 75 later down the line. Oh well. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Villa, Stella, Balti. It's Brummie latin that means, er...... Vis tester available to local V6 owners

13th February 2018, 19:55	#19
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13th February 2018, 08:50	#13
macafee2 This is my second home Rover 75 Saloon & Tourer Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Lincoln Posts: 14,912 Thanks: 1,630 Thanked 3,032 Times in 2,181 Posts	For some we love an older car. Yes we may like more power, gizmos, better cornering but we may want them in our car, not another car. Just for the fuel saving do enough miles I can understand the change. Some of the op's comments make me wonder, joining a motorway and going up hill. Heck I drive a CDT with a caravan on the back and don't have trouble joining a motorway. The most important thing is that the BMW is liked and not a regretted purchase. I hope you continue to enjoy it. As for modern interiors, "any colour you like as long as it's black", gizmos, I'd never remember how to use them all macafee2

13th February 2018, 09:31	#14
bazyerma Avid contributor MG ZT-T Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Aberdeen Posts: 146 Thanks: 117 Thanked 24 Times in 23 Posts	Well I only bought my ZTT as I was looking for a BMW 330 estate, but could not find one, and the MG was just too good a deal and car to turn down. But I have always preferred Rwd cars so still on the look out for the right BMW.....