Starter motor zinging/not connecting frequently

goltho · 1st February 2018, 22:54

I've looked through several old threads on this and find I'm not the first. I'm cringing at the thought that it's spinning due to missing teeth on the ring gear

but opinions please as to the likely cause? Had the car four weeks now and it only started doing this in the last week, and it's becoming more frequent. Thanks.

Dougie.

slovcan · 2nd February 2018, 01:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by goltho

I've looked through several old threads on this and find I'm not the first. I'm cringing at the thought that it's spinning due to missing teeth on the ring gear

but opinions please as to the likely cause? Had the car four weeks now and it only started doing this in the last week, and it's becoming more frequent. Thanks.

Dougie.

I haven't got any Rover specific experience, but if the starter drive engages like every other one I've seen, it may well be dirt and crud. Take it out and see if a good clean-up around the gear and its shaft help things any. While it's out put power to it and watch the action before and after cleaning.

Cheers,
Glenn

rustymotor · 2nd February 2018, 05:43

Hi Dougie, could need a repair kit found here Doubt if it is ring gear. You could ask one of the traders for a used known good unit and then refurbish yours for spare. Check connections and earthing perhaps not enough power to throw it in and engage the ring. Good luck.

goltho · 2nd February 2018, 08:32

Thanks gents. It does correlate with the recent cruddy weather (of which plenty lies in gritty puddles and verges on the country lanes around here). The car's on the ramp later this morning getting an oil change and the new undertray fitted so I'll see if my mate can whip the starter out so I can give it a good clean whilst it's there.

Dougie.

Mike Noc · 2nd February 2018, 08:48

If it is zinging it won't be in need of a repair kit - that just replaces the solenoid contacts, and if they fail then you just get a single click and nothing else.

As mentioned, take it out, clean and inspect it. If it is OK then you should be able to check the ring gear with a mirror and torch and a socket on the crankshaft to turn it bit by bit.

roverbarmy · 2nd February 2018, 17:49

This video may help with explanations.

rovertone · 3rd February 2018, 15:18

I had a similar problem with a starter that occasionally didn't turn the engine but still turned with a screechy whine.
The bendix has a clutch arrangement which can fail intermittently I found the attached video similar to the one above which shows the repair. I sourced a replacement from this firm in Ireland.
Having repaired mine I never got to find out whether it solved the problem because I bought a second hand one to replace whilst I did the work and it's still on the car! I carry the original as a spare on my trips in Europe so hope it works OK
!https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...4&&FORM=VDRVRV

planenut · 6th February 2018, 10:01

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Originally Posted by joebrowntech

For your Rover, better not take a step in haste unless you consult the user manual of your vehicle for the exact details of the missing parts. It could always turn troublesome if you do not consider this.
And if you do not possess the user manual of your vehicle, you could buy a copy of it at a place I'm spamming

Hmm, welcome to the forum "joebrowntech", wise words, and should the advice of the members here not prove fruitful? then worth pursuing. Cannot see any mention of "missing parts" in the original message though.

slovcan · 6th February 2018, 23:39

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Originally Posted by planenut

Hmm, welcome to the forum "joebrowntech", wise words, and should the advice of the members here not prove fruitful? then worth pursuing. Cannot see any mention of "missing parts" in the original message though.

Hmmm, maybe something got lost in the translation (both ways). Maybe the "missing parts" was in reference to possible missing ring gear teeth.

goltho · 6th February 2018, 23:54

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Originally Posted by slovcan

Hmmm, maybe something got lost in the translation (both ways). Maybe the "missing parts" was in reference to possible missing ring gear teeth.

I think if you check this new guy out, you'll find he's spamming the forum and promoting manuals (from India). I've reported it twice but no-one's got back.

1st February 2018, 22:54	#1
goltho Can't help myself Rover 75 CDTi 2005 Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Lincoln Posts: 871 Thanks: 469 Thanked 150 Times in 113 Posts	Starter motor zinging/not connecting frequently I've looked through several old threads on this and find I'm not the first. I'm cringing at the thought that it's spinning due to missing teeth on the ring gear but opinions please as to the likely cause? Had the car four weeks now and it only started doing this in the last week, and it's becoming more frequent. Thanks. Dougie. __________________ R75 C2 RJBLH Connoisseur CDTi Auto Saloon • Built 08/02/2005 @14:57 hrs: Registered 26/08/2005 • 122nd of 141 built that day • British Racing Green Pearlescent (HFF) • Sandstone leather with black piping (SPJ) • 137,000 miles

2nd February 2018, 08:32	#4
goltho Can't help myself Rover 75 CDTi 2005 Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Lincoln Posts: 871 Thanks: 469 Thanked 150 Times in 113 Posts	Thanks gents. It does correlate with the recent cruddy weather (of which plenty lies in gritty puddles and verges on the country lanes around here). The car's on the ramp later this morning getting an oil change and the new undertray fitted so I'll see if my mate can whip the starter out so I can give it a good clean whilst it's there. Dougie. __________________ R75 C2 RJBLH Connoisseur CDTi Auto Saloon • Built 08/02/2005 @14:57 hrs: Registered 26/08/2005 • 122nd of 141 built that day • British Racing Green Pearlescent (HFF) • Sandstone leather with black piping (SPJ) • 137,000 miles

2nd February 2018, 17:49	#6
roverbarmy This is my second home Roverless + 1.7D Sportage Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: East Norfolk Posts: 7,050 Thanks: 729 Thanked 2,021 Times in 1,449 Posts	This video may help with explanations. __________________ Oil in my veins!

3rd February 2018, 15:18	#7
rovertone Gets stuck in Rover 75 Conne SE Auto CDTi Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Redditch Posts: 669 Thanks: 185 Thanked 135 Times in 109 Posts	I had a similar problem with a starter that occasionally didn't turn the engine but still turned with a screechy whine. The bendix has a clutch arrangement which can fail intermittently I found the attached video similar to the one above which shows the repair. I sourced a replacement from this firm in Ireland. Having repaired mine I never got to find out whether it solved the problem because I bought a second hand one to replace whilst I did the work and it's still on the car! I carry the original as a spare on my trips in Europe so hope it works OK !https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...4&&FORM=VDRVRV __________________ 2003 Mk 1 Connie SE CDTi Auto Monogram Mirage 2/Sandstone Leather 511th CDTi out of 4744 produced 9th in Mirage 2 out of 17 produced Also 2004 Rover 25 SXi CVT, 1999 Megane Cabriolet and still missing my 800 Fastback.

2nd February 2018, 05:43	#3
rustymotor Posted a thing or two Rover 75 Tourer Join Date: May 2017 Location: Hull Posts: 1,848 Thanks: 216 Thanked 432 Times in 340 Posts	Hi Dougie, could need a repair kit found here Doubt if it is ring gear. You could ask one of the traders for a used known good unit and then refurbish yours for spare. Check connections and earthing perhaps not enough power to throw it in and engage the ring. Good luck.

2nd February 2018, 08:48	#5
Mike Noc This is my second home Rover 75 CDT Manual Connoisseur SE, Rover 75 CDT Automatic Connoisseur SE & a Freelander Td4. Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Hampshire Posts: 11,548 Thanks: 3,470 Thanked 3,119 Times in 2,247 Posts	If it is zinging it won't be in need of a repair kit - that just replaces the solenoid contacts, and if they fail then you just get a single click and nothing else. As mentioned, take it out, clean and inspect it. If it is OK then you should be able to check the ring gear with a mirror and torch and a socket on the crankshaft to turn it bit by bit.