Broken down: CDTi rattling noise, lots of smoke, no power - Page 4

BigAde · 25th June 2016, 10:40

I've contacted both Trading Standards offices. I've found an email address for the owners of the filling station and sent a complaint in. I'll wait for a response from them before contacting the local press, but I've drafted an email to them already. I've asked my garage for a written report and for a sample of the water/fuel mix extracted from the injectors. All else fails it will have to be the small claims court, but I hope it doesn't come to that.

Unfortunately my local garage can't look at the car until Wednesday/Thursday this week, so I'm without a car until at least then. I'll have to see if I can get a colleague to give me a lift in to work.

Not been a good few days.

grivas · 25th June 2016, 11:28

Hi sorry to hear of your troubles, just out of interest, how did the garage discover there was a considerable amount of water in the tank, they must have checked as a matter of course.

By the way, there are fuel additives that can be added to the tank that help mix the fuel with water in order to help disperse the latter, I think Wynn make a product. Best of luck.

BigAde · 25th June 2016, 13:02

They showed me a jam jar with about 100ml of fluid in it that they said had come out of the injectors. I don't think they've taken anything directly out of the tank.
It appeared to be some sort of mix of oil and water.

Judging by the proportion of water that appeared to be in the jar, I think there's going to be too much water for an additive to have much effect???

He estimated £300-400 to empty the tank, clean the fuel lines and replace the fuel filter. Then we have to hope the injectors aren't damaged.

spyder · 25th June 2016, 14:09

I know it is easy to say, can you not just drain the fuel yourself, from the rear seat? Fill it up and take it for a good drive. Even if it means replacing the fuel filter twice. The longer it stands, the more the chance of damage.

Darcydog · 25th June 2016, 14:15

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Originally Posted by BigAde

From the response I got on the phone, I don't think that's going to do any good. I've submitted a complaint direct to Gulf Oil via their website. Personally I suspect that they know they've got a problem, which is why they've shut the diesel pumps down.

Hmmm suspicious that ....

BigAde · 25th June 2016, 15:58

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Originally Posted by spyder

I know it is easy to say, can you not just drain the fuel yourself, from the rear seat? Fill it up and take it for a good drive. Even if it means replacing the fuel filter twice. The longer it stands, the more the chance of damage.

Maybe... except I've never done that before and I don't know how.
I do have a 6.5l Sealey oil sucker, but the fuel tank's full and it will take a lot of emptying. (The garage were talking about removing the tank completely).
Plus there's the problem of what to do with the contaminated fuel once I've done that.
Also, the car's now half a mile away from my house on the forecourt of a garage... so getting it back here might be a problem.

I suppose I could call the AA out again but for a mis-fuel problem and see if they'll drain the tank...

spyder · 25th June 2016, 16:08

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Originally Posted by BigAde

Maybe... except I've never done that before and I don't know how.
I do have a 6.5l Sealey oil sucker, but the fuel tank's full and it will take a lot of emptying. (The garage were talking about removing the tank completely).
Plus there's the problem of what to do with the contaminated fuel once I've done that.
Also, the car's now half a mile away from my house on the forecourt of a garage... so getting it back here might be a problem.

I suppose I could call the AA out again but for a mis-fuel problem and see if they'll drain the tank...

As I said talk is easy

maybe try the AA , as it is something they do. Removing the tank does seem a bit over board??

BigAde · 25th June 2016, 16:18

Yeah, you could be right.
If I'd been thinking straight I should have gone out this afternoon and bought a couple of new fuel filters... didn't think of that until too late.

Part of me thinks just get the garage to fix it all and claim the money back from the petrol station... but I suspect I'm going to have a fight on my hands to get the money back. In which case I'm better off getting the AA to do the draining and keep costs to a minimum.

I'm going to sleep on it... and maybe call the AA tomorrow.

harrisop48 · 25th June 2016, 17:36

Mis-Fueled mine. Self inflicted therefore AA wanted £150 to drain tank. I am sure they sub it out. There will be independents local to you. Suggest you get them to do it on the garage forecourt.

Mickyboy · 25th June 2016, 18:07

Hi Ade
I don't know if this helps but you might find on some insurance policies you've also got insurance against misfuelling I'm absolutely certain that on an Axa policy it's covered because I checked my policy and it was on there,

I think removing the tank is a little overboard, I drain all the fuel out my cars when I break them, and all you need is a electric pump and access to both sides of the saddle tank by removing the tops underneath the seats and draining it by suction, I would also add wins into the fuel system to help remove Excess moisture,
Obviously this is just my opinion, but I'm saying this because it may be a much cheaper option for you,
Hope that helps Mick

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harrisop48 Passed Away Rover 75 Tourer Club CDTi 2.0 2002 Royal Blue Paint JFM Trim LBB Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Hayes West London Posts: 1,218 Thanks: 528 Thanked 1,043 Times in 364 Posts	AA sub it out I think. Mis-Fueled mine. Self inflicted therefore AA wanted £150 to drain tank. I am sure they sub it out. There will be independents local to you. Suggest you get them to do it on the garage forecourt.

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25th June 2016, 10:40	#31
BigAde Posted a thing or two MG ZT-T+ 135 CDTi Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Sussex Posts: 1,502 Thanks: 511 Thanked 224 Times in 178 Posts	I've contacted both Trading Standards offices. I've found an email address for the owners of the filling station and sent a complaint in. I'll wait for a response from them before contacting the local press, but I've drafted an email to them already. I've asked my garage for a written report and for a sample of the water/fuel mix extracted from the injectors. All else fails it will have to be the small claims court, but I hope it doesn't come to that. Unfortunately my local garage can't look at the car until Wednesday/Thursday this week, so I'm without a car until at least then. I'll have to see if I can get a colleague to give me a lift in to work. Not been a good few days.

25th June 2016, 11:28	#32
grivas I really should get out more....... Rover 75 CDT Club Tourer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Milky Way Posts: 2,381 Thanks: 105 Thanked 513 Times in 382 Posts	Hi sorry to hear of your troubles, just out of interest, how did the garage discover there was a considerable amount of water in the tank, they must have checked as a matter of course. By the way, there are fuel additives that can be added to the tank that help mix the fuel with water in order to help disperse the latter, I think Wynn make a product. Best of luck.

25th June 2016, 13:02	#33
BigAde Posted a thing or two MG ZT-T+ 135 CDTi Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Sussex Posts: 1,502 Thanks: 511 Thanked 224 Times in 178 Posts	They showed me a jam jar with about 100ml of fluid in it that they said had come out of the injectors. I don't think they've taken anything directly out of the tank. It appeared to be some sort of mix of oil and water. Judging by the proportion of water that appeared to be in the jar, I think there's going to be too much water for an additive to have much effect??? He estimated £300-400 to empty the tank, clean the fuel lines and replace the fuel filter. Then we have to hope the injectors aren't damaged.

25th June 2016, 16:18	#38
BigAde Posted a thing or two MG ZT-T+ 135 CDTi Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Sussex Posts: 1,502 Thanks: 511 Thanked 224 Times in 178 Posts	Yeah, you could be right. If I'd been thinking straight I should have gone out this afternoon and bought a couple of new fuel filters... didn't think of that until too late. Part of me thinks just get the garage to fix it all and claim the money back from the petrol station... but I suspect I'm going to have a fight on my hands to get the money back. In which case I'm better off getting the AA to do the draining and keep costs to a minimum. I'm going to sleep on it... and maybe call the AA tomorrow.