Insane - Page 2

Tom Collins · 11th January 2008, 18:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimh

This is nothing to do with whatever may be meant by PC and it (unfortunately) has little to do with health and safety.

You can guarantee that if anyone had died during the rescue someone, somewhere would have smelled the possibility of a claim against the MCA. Where it is possible for the MCA to demonstrate their man did everything according to accepted procedure then there is no problem. However, if it could be shown that procedure was not followed then there is hope of pinning something on them.

Again. Ask yourself what would have happened if someone had died and the MCA bod had not followed procedure? There is a good chance he could have been looking at defending a private prosecution from the dead girl's family. It's his fault because he didn't follow procedure.

Which again just proves why the world is such a stupid ridiculous place these days.

JohnDotCom · 11th January 2008, 18:05

These Companies Chasing Victims and others out to make a Quick Buck should be Banned!

GreyGhost · 11th January 2008, 18:07

jimh

All your points taken, but in all honesty had it been me in that position and I had returned to get the equipment only to find the child had fallen to her death, I would be most upset. Equally if I were the one to fall, my family may have been a little distressed but known I had put my life on the line to save a child.
No contest.

Raistlin · 11th January 2008, 18:25

I'm disgusted - what an utter disgrace.

This is yet another example of the "blame and claim" culture that we are living in at the moment.

People like that should be feted, not pilloried.

DJAndyB · 11th January 2008, 18:49

Yet something else that makes me completely sick of this country.

Common sense is not so common any more.

Life seems all about ticking boxes and getting useless accreditations nowadays, oh and living in fear of legal action.

Andy

apywell · 11th January 2008, 18:50

Well, health and safety has gone mad. This is just typical. I am not suprised!!

Greeners · 11th January 2008, 19:23

If only it was that easy.

I spent 8 weeks doing "fast roads" training, and one thing they kept returning to was your own personal safety.

Whilst is actions saved the girls life, let me add a "What if..."

The crew of three had arrived at the scene with no equipment. The next step is he starts climbing down the cliff to help the girl and get's into difficulty. There are now 2 people to resue and only 2 rescuers with no equipment. All of a sudden the situation has got twice as bad, and potentially will get a lot worse unless additional resources arrive pronto.

Many years ago, there was a simialar incident, when a man was over come by fumes in a sewer. His partner rushed in to drag him out without first puting on his own BA. Samething happened to him.

The socking end result was that 4 men died because 3 of them tried to do the "right thing".

Yes he was brave, and yes he did save her life, but it's not that simple.....

jimh · 11th January 2008, 19:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grey Ghost

jimh

All your points taken, but in all honesty had it been me in that position and I had returned to get the equipment only to find the child had fallen to her death, I would be most upset. Equally if I were the one to fall, my family may have been a little distressed but known I had put my life on the line to save a child.
No contest.

Indeed. And that is why it needs a bit of wit and imagination on the part of managers to resolve these situations. People need to understand why procedures are there just as people need to appreciate what it is like to actually be in the situation and having to apply them. The situation had a happy outcome so there is no need to make such a pig's ear of the situation.

JohnDotCom · 11th January 2008, 19:49

In these Instances someone just needs to use some Common sense and get real.

jimh · 11th January 2008, 21:53

You also need to be a bit careful because we are only going on what has been reported. There is a possibility that the MCA did handle this with tact and diplomacy and the bloke was a complete goon. It is also possible that the parting was by agreement and amicable it's just the vicious MCA sacks brave hero makes a better story.

I know what I'd have my money on.

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Greeners Moderator MG-ZTT Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ware, Herts Posts: 19,798 Thanks: 161 Thanked 1,249 Times in 1,036 Posts	If only it was that easy. I spent 8 weeks doing "fast roads" training, and one thing they kept returning to was your own personal safety. Whilst is actions saved the girls life, let me add a "What if..." The crew of three had arrived at the scene with no equipment. The next step is he starts climbing down the cliff to help the girl and get's into difficulty. There are now 2 people to resue and only 2 rescuers with no equipment. All of a sudden the situation has got twice as bad, and potentially will get a lot worse unless additional resources arrive pronto. Many years ago, there was a simialar incident, when a man was over come by fumes in a sewer. His partner rushed in to drag him out without first puting on his own BA. Samething happened to him. The socking end result was that 4 men died because 3 of them tried to do the "right thing". Yes he was brave, and yes he did save her life, but it's not that simple..... __________________ *David* Impecunity is the mother of ingenuity Useful how to's for common problems Car Of The Month Jan 2014 [SatNav Power Down] [Coolant Level] [SatNav Repair] [Diesel Non Starting] [Paint Codes] [Rear Light Seals] [Reversing Light Switch] [Bleeding Brakes][Sunroof Drain] [Early ZT's][Instrument Pack Diagnostics][ATC Diagnostics]

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JohnDotCom * Rover 75 FaceLift Tourer CDTi 170BHP Auto ConnSE 2005 Model Starlight Silver Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Abergele Posts: 28,735 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	These Companies Chasing Victims and others out to make a Quick Buck should be Banned!

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GreyGhost Banned 180+ Sport Auto Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Bedford Middle Level Posts: 17,787 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 5 Posts	jimh All your points taken, but in all honesty had it been me in that position and I had returned to get the equipment only to find the child had fallen to her death, I would be most upset. Equally if I were the one to fall, my family may have been a little distressed but known I had put my life on the line to save a child. No contest.

11th January 2008, 18:25	#14
Raistlin Banned 75 CDT Connoisseur SE Auto Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Wolverhampton Posts: 8,450 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	I'm disgusted - what an utter disgrace. This is yet another example of the "blame and claim" culture that we are living in at the moment. People like that should be feted, not pilloried.

11th January 2008, 18:49	#15
DJAndyB Loves to post 1.8T ZT-T+ Commission Number 27101 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Wallington Posts: 401 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yet something else that makes me completely sick of this country. Common sense is not so common any more. Life seems all about ticking boxes and getting useless accreditations nowadays, oh and living in fear of legal action. Andy

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JohnDotCom * Rover 75 FaceLift Tourer CDTi 170BHP Auto ConnSE 2005 Model Starlight Silver Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Abergele Posts: 28,735 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	In these Instances someone just needs to use some Common sense and get real.

11th January 2008, 21:53	#20
jimh Regular poster 75 CDT Tourer Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: In a diesel clunker Posts: 45 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	You also need to be a bit careful because we are only going on what has been reported. There is a possibility that the MCA did handle this with tact and diplomacy and the bloke was a complete goon. It is also possible that the parting was by agreement and amicable it's just the vicious MCA sacks brave hero makes a better story. I know what I'd have my money on.