Insane

Simon W · 11th January 2008, 16:48

Are the MCA mad?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/7183017.stm

GreyGhost · 11th January 2008, 16:56

If it were a member of the general public they would be receiving a medal for bravery.

ragitty · 11th January 2008, 17:02

Absolute lunacy, this man made a on the spot decision to put his safety last and is penalised for it, I dare say if it was a member of MCA hanging by their fingertips it would be a different story and a different set of rules applied.

tourerfogey · 11th January 2008, 17:10

Daft decision and they've taken a year to make it causing extra stress and uncertainty for the guy involved - no wonder he's leaving.

Simon W · 11th January 2008, 17:10

In 2007, one of the Royal Shakespeare Company's actors rescued a girl who'd fainted and fallen onto the tracks at Clapham Common tube station. She landed head first and was completely stuck.

There was a train coming in so he jumped down and dragged her back onto the platform.

I suppose the MCA loonies would have expected him to leave here where she was.

(He got a Humane Society award).

Tom Collins · 11th January 2008, 17:12

How stupid. This man is a hero.
I suppose the pathetic penpushing losers would rather she had fallen to her death. What's he supposed to do, carry out a full risk assessment and submit it in writing?

JohnDotCom · 11th January 2008, 17:14

This is Disgusting, the man is a Hero.
Lets hope one of these morons need rescuing sometime.
The World is going nuts and health and Safety has a lot to answer for.
Its a no win Situation, remember the Police Community officers who stood by, at the river?

jimh · 11th January 2008, 17:40

It is not an easy situation and I suspect that it has been handled in a very cack handed manner by the MCA. The MCA cannot be seen to allow a situation such as this to go unchallenged. As their quote quite rightly suggests they are not in the business of creating dead heroes. The story would have been very different had it gone the other way and people had ended up dead. It would have been the bods at the MCA who would have had to be standing in the dock answering questions about why procedure wasn't followed. Was the training given adequate? Why were they putting volunteers in a position where they can be killed or injured? Those with their red top slogans about heroes aren't the ones who would be defending themselves in court.

All that said it is possible to deal with situations such as this where everyone can save face, people can be congratulated for bravery and also be told in the nicest possible way not to do it again.

adrenalin rush · 11th January 2008, 17:44

The "PC" brigade have a lot to answer for. One day there day WILL come and someone will sit back and do nothing and unfortunately have to live with that decision

I've saved two lives heart attack & a stabbing and would do it again despite getting reported for the stabbing one

jimh · 11th January 2008, 17:58

This is nothing to do with whatever may be meant by PC and it (unfortunately) has little to do with health and safety.

You can guarantee that if anyone had died during the rescue someone, somewhere would have smelled the possibility of a claim against the MCA. Where it is possible for the MCA to demonstrate their man did everything according to accepted procedure then there is no problem. However, if it could be shown that procedure was not followed then there is hope of pinning something on them.

Again. Ask yourself what would have happened if someone had died and the MCA bod had not followed procedure? There is a good chance he could have been looking at defending a private prosecution from the dead girl's family. It's his fault because he didn't follow procedure.

11th January 2008, 16:48	#1
Simon W This is my second home Rover 75 2.0 Litre Club Saloon Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: S Posts: 3,280 Thanks: 38 Thanked 50 Times in 47 Posts	Insane Are the MCA mad? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/7183017.stm

11th January 2008, 17:02	#3
ragitty I really should get out more....... Jeep Cherokee Orvis Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Leicester Posts: 2,666 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Absolute lunacy, this man made a on the spot decision to put his safety last and is penalised for it, I dare say if it was a member of MCA hanging by their fingertips it would be a different story and a different set of rules applied. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]Dance like no-ones watching

11th January 2008, 17:12	#6
Tom Collins Posted a thing or two Mondeo 2.0 cdti Ghia Auto Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Leicester Posts: 1,731 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	How stupid. This man is a hero. I suppose the pathetic penpushing losers would rather she had fallen to her death. What's he supposed to do, carry out a full risk assessment and submit it in writing? __________________ In vino veritas [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Does Magna Carta mean nothing to you? Did she die in vain?

11th January 2008, 16:56	#2
GreyGhost Banned 180+ Sport Auto Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Bedford Middle Level Posts: 17,787 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 5 Posts	If it were a member of the general public they would be receiving a medal for bravery.

11th January 2008, 17:10	#4
tourerfogey Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Daft decision and they've taken a year to make it causing extra stress and uncertainty for the guy involved - no wonder he's leaving.

11th January 2008, 17:14	#7
JohnDotCom * Rover 75 FaceLift Tourer CDTi 170BHP Auto ConnSE 2005 Model Starlight Silver Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Abergele Posts: 28,735 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	This is Disgusting, the man is a Hero. Lets hope one of these morons need rescuing sometime. The World is going nuts and health and Safety has a lot to answer for. Its a no win Situation, remember the Police Community officers who stood by, at the river?

11th January 2008, 17:40	#8
jimh Regular poster 75 CDT Tourer Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: In a diesel clunker Posts: 45 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	It is not an easy situation and I suspect that it has been handled in a very cack handed manner by the MCA. The MCA cannot be seen to allow a situation such as this to go unchallenged. As their quote quite rightly suggests they are not in the business of creating dead heroes. The story would have been very different had it gone the other way and people had ended up dead. It would have been the bods at the MCA who would have had to be standing in the dock answering questions about why procedure wasn't followed. Was the training given adequate? Why were they putting volunteers in a position where they can be killed or injured? Those with their red top slogans about heroes aren't the ones who would be defending themselves in court. All that said it is possible to deal with situations such as this where everyone can save face, people can be congratulated for bravery and also be told in the nicest possible way not to do it again.

11th January 2008, 17:44	#9
adrenalin rush Gets stuck in MG ZT 190 + Anthracite Grey commission no 002172 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Twickenham Posts: 597 Thanks: 23 Thanked 64 Times in 32 Posts	The "PC" brigade have a lot to answer for. One day there day WILL come and someone will sit back and do nothing and unfortunately have to live with that decision I've saved two lives heart attack & a stabbing and would do it again despite getting reported for the stabbing one

11th January 2008, 17:58	#10
jimh Regular poster 75 CDT Tourer Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: In a diesel clunker Posts: 45 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	This is nothing to do with whatever may be meant by PC and it (unfortunately) has little to do with health and safety. You can guarantee that if anyone had died during the rescue someone, somewhere would have smelled the possibility of a claim against the MCA. Where it is possible for the MCA to demonstrate their man did everything according to accepted procedure then there is no problem. However, if it could be shown that procedure was not followed then there is hope of pinning something on them. Again. Ask yourself what would have happened if someone had died and the MCA bod had not followed procedure? There is a good chance he could have been looking at defending a private prosecution from the dead girl's family. It's his fault because he didn't follow procedure.