VIS motor testing? - Page 10

Tatts · 12th January 2009, 12:02

Stiff butterfly. Sounds familiar.

Mine used to be until I attacked it with a knife, file and some wet & dry. Now it opens & closes like a dream.

bigfella · 12th January 2009, 12:27

Exactly what I did, it was very stiff to open originally. I also added a small about of copper grease to keep it moving freely.

If someone has a testing box they are willing to lend me I can test all the motors and repair accordingly. I can pay a deposit if required!

stocktake · 12th January 2009, 13:19

I see The_Monk has sent you a PM......... He has one IIRC

bigfella · 12th January 2009, 13:25

Yeah he does, not sure if he is overkeen on sending it down to Essex for me to borrow, which I can understand.

stocktake · 12th January 2009, 13:42

Ah, I see your problem there, trouble is these test boxes are quite few and far between and not a purchasable item ( made by the individual). However if you look at the club image gallery and look in Rleon's pictures you will see a wiring diagram for one. (ignore the part of the diagram with the bulb)

Put simply, it is a live feed to the blue and yellow connection on either motor. Then there are two negatives, one of which is black on both VIS motors. The second neg is switched. Cannot remember the colours off the top off my head.

When the live is connected to the blue/yellow and the black is connected to the neg the VIS motor sits at rest. Then connect the second negative AS WELL and the VIS motors across. Disconnecting the second neg allows the VIS to motor back to rest.

The fourth connection ( with the bulb) simply sends a signal back to the ECU. Hence not reqd to test VIS action.

It is a but fiddly but can be done with a 9v battery, bit of wire and three small spade connectors.

HTH

workaholic_ro · 12th January 2009, 18:29

No idea if there is any need for another idiot savant preoccupied by the VIS actuators nightmare, but if you have nothing better to do, take a look here:
http://forums.mg-rover.org/showpost....51&postcount=1
...and here:
http://forums.mg-rover.org/showpost....19&postcount=4
A small series made for sale is to be considered if you think it is worth the effort. I have the skills and materials to have it done, unfortunately not very much time.
What do you think? ...and thanks for looking.

Fidel

Edited: and about the small japanese motors here:
http://forums.mg-rover.org/showpost....5&postcount=39
I can confirm now, I had to clean the actuators again since that post, in my car they are the equivalent of FC-280PC/SC.
...a possible problem and a how to here:
http://forums.mg-rover.org/showthread.php?t=273461

Marconi · 12th January 2009, 18:53

There's threads on here about how to bild one, or if you're good with a meter and a 12 volt source....

It's very easy to remove the balance flap and put it on the wrong way round...

Don't ask,.

workaholic_ro · 12th January 2009, 19:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marconi

There's threads on here about how to bild one, or if you're good with a meter and a 12 volt source....

Of course I've done it ("with a meter and a 12 volt source"). Not sure if most people feel comfortable to test it that way.

Quote:

It's very easy to remove the balance flap and put it on the wrong way round...

I don't think so, the plastic hole has a rectangular shape, not square.

Quote:

Don't ask,.

What not to ask ?

Marconi · 12th January 2009, 22:36

I managed to put the balance flap on inverted with respect to the drive VIS shaft..ie 180 deg out oops.

I have a PDF of the Power valve wiring if anyone wants it. Can;t seem to post private emails

JohnDotCom · 12th January 2009, 22:50

If you wish to link a PDF to your post
Edit existing Post or make a new one,
Go Advanced (if required)
Scroll down to Manage attachments,
Then Browse to find correct one on your machine,
then Upload.
Then Submit reply and people can click on PDF as they want.

Hope that helps.
You should be able to send EMails and PM's any problems contact any Mod.

12th January 2009, 12:02	#91
Tatts This is my second home MG6 TL Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tarn Posts: 5,269 Thanks: 2 Thanked 46 Times in 37 Posts	Stiff butterfly. Sounds familiar. Mine used to be until I attacked it with a knife, file and some wet & dry. Now it opens & closes like a dream. __________________ http://www.wcgsig.com/115562.gif

12th January 2009, 13:19	#93
stocktake Vis Whiz Rover 75 2.5 auto Saloon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: LEEDS Posts: 20,593 Thanks: 2,057 Thanked 3,056 Times in 1,621 Posts	I see The_Monk has sent you a PM......... He has one IIRC __________________ Dave... Lost a few stones and a Gall Bladder and part of a bile duct and all of my dignity in the suppository incident

12th January 2009, 13:42	#95
stocktake Vis Whiz Rover 75 2.5 auto Saloon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: LEEDS Posts: 20,593 Thanks: 2,057 Thanked 3,056 Times in 1,621 Posts	Ah, I see your problem there, trouble is these test boxes are quite few and far between and not a purchasable item ( made by the individual). However if you look at the club image gallery and look in Rleon's pictures you will see a wiring diagram for one. (ignore the part of the diagram with the bulb) Put simply, it is a live feed to the blue and yellow connection on either motor. Then there are two negatives, one of which is black on both VIS motors. The second neg is switched. Cannot remember the colours off the top off my head. When the live is connected to the blue/yellow and the black is connected to the neg the VIS motor sits at rest. Then connect the second negative AS WELL and the VIS motors across. Disconnecting the second neg allows the VIS to motor back to rest. The fourth connection ( with the bulb) simply sends a signal back to the ECU. Hence not reqd to test VIS action. It is a but fiddly but can be done with a 9v battery, bit of wire and three small spade connectors. HTH __________________ Dave... Lost a few stones and a Gall Bladder and part of a bile duct and all of my dignity in the suppository incident Last edited by stocktake; 13th January 2009 at 07:29..

12th January 2009, 18:29	#96
workaholic_ro Gets stuck in Rover 75 Saloon Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Cluj Posts: 551 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	No idea if there is any need for another idiot savant preoccupied by the VIS actuators nightmare, but if you have nothing better to do, take a look here: http://forums.mg-rover.org/showpost....51&postcount=1 ...and here: http://forums.mg-rover.org/showpost....19&postcount=4 A small series made for sale is to be considered if you think it is worth the effort. I have the skills and materials to have it done, unfortunately not very much time. What do you think? ...and thanks for looking. Fidel Edited: and about the small japanese motors here: http://forums.mg-rover.org/showpost....5&postcount=39 I can confirm now, I had to clean the actuators again since that post, in my car they are the equivalent of FC-280PC/SC. ...a possible problem and a how to here: http://forums.mg-rover.org/showthread.php?t=273461 __________________ Renee Descartes walks into a bar, the bartender says 'sir can I get you a martini 'Descartes says 'I don't think...' and he disappears Cheers, Fidel Last edited by workaholic_ro; 12th January 2009 at 18:53..

12th January 2009, 18:53	#97
Marconi Avid contributor R75 Club SE 2.0KV6 Saloon Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Shotts Posts: 110 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	There's threads on here about how to bild one, or if you're good with a meter and a 12 volt source.... It's very easy to remove the balance flap and put it on the wrong way round... Don't ask,. __________________ W Reg R75 Club SE KV6 2.0

12th January 2009, 12:27	#92
bigfella Newbie MG ZS 180 Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 17 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Exactly what I did, it was very stiff to open originally. I also added a small about of copper grease to keep it moving freely. If someone has a testing box they are willing to lend me I can test all the motors and repair accordingly. I can pay a deposit if required!

12th January 2009, 13:25	#94
bigfella Newbie MG ZS 180 Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 17 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yeah he does, not sure if he is overkeen on sending it down to Essex for me to borrow, which I can understand.

12th January 2009, 22:50	#100
JohnDotCom * Rover 75 FaceLift Tourer CDTi 170BHP Auto ConnSE 2005 Model Starlight Silver Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Abergele Posts: 28,735 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	If you wish to link a PDF to your post Edit existing Post or make a new one, Go Advanced (if required) Scroll down to Manage attachments, Then Browse to find correct one on your machine, then Upload. Then Submit reply and people can click on PDF as they want. Hope that helps. You should be able to send EMails and PM's any problems contact any Mod.