War!

GT Courier · 24th September 2014, 10:13

It seems that we are about to go to war (again).

Personally I don't think this is the answer, but it appears to be a foregone conclusion (again)

Why does this appear to be the only option available?

What I find interesting, is the total lack of any really consultation or debate on the topic and that public interest in these sorts of events appears to be nearly zero.

For example, this is the top story on BBC at the moment:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29240959

Indeed there are no stories in the most read that are to do with the UK (Yes that includes Scotland!) going to war.

What a crazy world we live in where bombing and going to war is taught to be the path to peace - it makes no sense!

Georgies Dad · 24th September 2014, 10:23

Nor do be-heading innocent people,what should we do ,sit back and let it happen

wraymond · 24th September 2014, 10:24

I agree. But how would you suggest we deal with an implacable revolutionary that has sworn our death and underlined that by the atrocities we have witnessed on video? Their sole purpose is to draw 'the West' into conflict and make martyrs of themselves and quite a few are from, and remain, in this country.

GT Courier · 24th September 2014, 10:28

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Originally Posted by w44nty

Nor do be-heading innocent people,what should we do ,sit back and let it happen

I'm glad you mention that, not going to war does not suggest you tolerate what are the actions of a very small number of people. I'm sure it wouldn't take me long to dig up some horrific evidence of previous bombings that we have put our name to whether that be on purpose or by accident.

I am challenging the concept that war is the answer to the problems - I am not convinced it is.

GT Courier · 24th September 2014, 10:32

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Originally Posted by wraymond

I agree. But how would you suggest we deal with an implacable revolutionary that has sworn our death and underlined that by the atrocities we have witnessed on video? Their sole purpose is to draw 'the West' into conflict and make martyrs of themselves and quite a few are from, and remain, in this country.

You have to ask why they have this opinion of us? There are very few people in the world who subscribe to the idea of random killings. Their numbers are very few. If this problem was so great you would have major events every day.

Afterall, it wouldn't be difficult to hijack a plane/run around a public place with a deadly weapon, yet this happens so infrequently that this concludes me to believe that very few people are of this mind. (rightly or wrongly)

If their sole purposes is to draw ' the west' into a conflict then aren't we giving them what they want?

How long before our bombs go down (or appear to go down) the wrong chimney pot?

windrush · 24th September 2014, 10:34

sitting on the fence like Chamberlin did in1939 all most cost this country it's freedom

FLYER · 24th September 2014, 10:42

Isis dont take prisoners , they execute any soldiers they catch .
They murder innocent civilians in their thousands.
They rape and enslave women.
If your not a Sunni your as good as dead to them.
The graphic and disgusting beheading of innocent people who actually go there to help civilians is stomoch turning.

Should we go to war on them ? yes we should.

I heard the case put today that our allies the Saudi arabians also behead people and yes they do but those people are convicted criminals.

They also use swords that despatch the criminal quickly not the hacking cutting method used by some out of work DJ .

War wont solve the problems of the area but it will stop these barbaric animals.

GT Courier · 24th September 2014, 10:43

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Originally Posted by windrush

sitting on the fence like Chamberlin did in1939 all most cost this country it's freedom

It is a good point, but I would like to know where all these weapons are coming from in the current conflict areas. Russia/US/UK I as well as neighbouring countries I would suggest.

I don't expect our warplanes to be targeting weapons manufacturing facilities in Syria or Iraq!

We have been chucking weapons at this group and then that group in the hope that one side may eliminate the other, but guess what, now we have well armed bunch of lunatics that are sweeping disaffected groups into their ideals.

I don't suppose many of the so called fighters of this group have or feel they have a choice or a way out. The numbers are estimated to be in excess of 30,000, but I would be prepared to wager that not many of these are there by choice. (If that many exist)

Lovel · 24th September 2014, 12:09

Cut the jihadis oxygen supply off.

Starting with the BBC/SKY et all media fest/frenzy.

whitevanman · 24th September 2014, 12:17

Unfortunately my answer is not possible and not PC (no I wouldn't drop the bomb) so don't really know what the answers are..However is does strike me as fantastic irony that the very people spouting hatred of the West and everything it stands for use social media and other technologies invented in the west to advertise the fact that they hate us..

So first thing to do would be to cut off their access to such things

but as said that'll never happen as long as they pay their mobile bills they are safe...

24th September 2014, 10:13	#1
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FLYER Banned rover75 cdti AUTO TOURER 160 bhp. Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Glasgow Posts: 35,346 Thanks: 2,985 Thanked 3,685 Times in 2,463 Posts	Isis dont take prisoners , they execute any soldiers they catch . They murder innocent civilians in their thousands. They rape and enslave women. If your not a Sunni your as good as dead to them. The graphic and disgusting beheading of innocent people who actually go there to help civilians is stomoch turning. Should we go to war on them ? yes we should. I heard the case put today that our allies the Saudi arabians also behead people and yes they do but those people are convicted criminals. They also use swords that despatch the criminal quickly not the hacking cutting method used by some out of work DJ . War wont solve the problems of the area but it will stop these barbaric animals. Last edited by FLYER; 24th September 2014 at 10:47..

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Lovel I really should get out more....... P6B, L550, Imp, F56, Commando Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Aberdeenshire Posts: 2,886 Thanks: 352 Thanked 677 Times in 440 Posts	Cut the jihadis oxygen supply off. Starting with the BBC/SKY et all media fest/frenzy.

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