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Old 18th January 2013, 10:32   #61
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The Comet was grounded after multiple hull losses resulting in hundreds of fatalities. -- the Comet's all-metal nature came before the testing and tools necessary to supplement the material.
The Comet may have died, but the Nimrod didn't until mid 2011 when government killed it off and destroyed them all.
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Old 18th January 2013, 11:20   #62
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Would you get on one.

I'd rather get on any plane than a boat.


If anything, this just shows that all the safety procedures have good integrity. Unlike Costa Concordia et al
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Old 18th January 2013, 16:12   #63
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In answer to your question George, I will say I am in no hurry to get on a 787. I have to fly back from the UK at the end of March/early April and was checking out fares, routes and aircraft yesterday. On one site I looked you at I had a chance to see what aircraft are used for the. I did see a 787 and saw myself crossing that route off. I believe it makes substantial savings in fuel costs, performs well long haul and once it is proven to be safe and back up in the air, I can see more and more aircraft being manufactured in the same way that the 787 is. Having said this, I suspect that eventually my resolve will give way. It makes sense to remove the lithium batteries and replace them with standard ones. What do I know? I am only a passenger
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Old 18th January 2013, 16:24   #64
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Wouldn't bother me. In the grand scheme of things it's not a huge issue. I wouldn't worry about a battery isn't that complicated. I'm sure it'll be sorted quickly.
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Old 18th January 2013, 17:25   #65
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It makes sense to remove the lithium batteries and replace them with standard ones. What do I know? I am only a passenger
If a solution isn't found imminently, this is probably what'll happen to get the aircraft back into service.
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Old 18th January 2013, 17:37   #66
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If a solution isn't found imminently, this is probably what'll happen to get the aircraft back into service.
Is that right that each plane cost 100 million to make or was it a misprint .
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More than that I would have thought. Having had a quick look I think you are right. Upto 120 m for the other variant.

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Is that right that each plane cost 100 million to make or was it a misprint .
The total cost of the Dreamliner program in terms of expenditure is circa $35,000,000,000. The list price of a 787 varies, depending on fitting and engine options between $205,000,000 - $250,000,000.

I couldn't find any information about manufacturing cost off-hand. That sort of data tends to be quite commercially sensitive.

That sounds like a license to print money but Boeing need to sell around 170 airframes before they've even broken even on the cost of the program. Since most manufacturers end up having to provide tweaks and changes to airframes (e.g. providing solutions for design defects like the battery issue and then working these solutions into production) that number will almost certainly rise. Also, while you might think 840 orders leaves them laughing, in actual fact a big percentage of those orders will never materialise; the airlines responsible will either trim down what they can afford or - in some cases - go out of business altogether.

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I'd rather get on any plane than a boat.


If anything, this just shows that all the safety procedures have good integrity. Unlike Costa Concordia et al
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What? A plane rather than a boat.....No terminal delays and sitting next to drunk passengers in the size 8. (don't know how they size these things) seats!

Give me my little yacht anyday....

Mind you take a long time to get to your foreign holidays...

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