2006 Rover 75 V8 Connoisseur Se A Silver

[palwing]

Originally Posted by julesbass

Don't forget there are many traders bidding on fleaBay for stock We will only go up to trade price less travel expenses and not a penny more .........but you never know as 1 out of 200 cars bid on do come to me very cheap from time to time

I am sure you are right Jules.

Looking at the number of cars in the history of Bidder 1, he is a dealer too hoping for a bargain. That's most probably why he opened the bidding with over 5 days to go and within minutes of the auction opening and has "topped out" at £207. Must have HUGE travelling expenses??

Bidder 3 seems to have stopped bidding at £500 too, perhaps he also travels by Jumbo jet?

As I mentioned before, these auctions smell of a "rat" because they ALL follow the same pattern. Immediate multiple bidding as soon as the auction opens and then a lull (notice the previously predicted lull now) followed by more bidding pushing the price up near the end. The "traders" drop out and poor muggins wins with an artificial "No Reserve" price thinking he was in a fair and square auction.

If you look at their feedback and then research the winners past auction buys, you do not find a load of dealers. This all adds up to one thing in my book. However, this is all IMHO of course.

The thing is, the vehicles seem genuine and quite reasonable. The prices they go for, are pretty good too at times. However, as I also mentioned, it's the "deceit" that gets my hackles up.

If me or you try and "shill bid" when we sell our garage clear out items, we get all sorts of grief from E-bay. However a large comapny making E-bay lots of money gets away with it. It all sucks in my book.

[Jules]

Agree with all your last post Pawling, I've been watching this eBayer D M for a few years now. I don't get as much time lately to analyse the bidding data so closely like you!

One danger of some of his "shill bidders" is that if the shillers win any of the cars, and they must do from time to time, then he will be forking out £50 to £60 per "successful" imaginary sale! Still, having very few overheads (it looks from his pictures like he operates from agricultural land) he probably doesn't mind winning some of his own stock back!! You often see the same car back on sale even though it was "won" the previous week.

However an alternative reason to the furious bidding in the first few hours of a listing is easily explained also. Many car buyers have "saved searches" set up on eBay and as soon as the elusive model variant you have been looking for is listed, eBay emails automatically 100's of people over the country, so it's bound to generate some initial bidding. I might bid 500 quid on a 10k car just so I don't forget to carry on bidding later on!!

Most of the fun of eBay has been taken away though since they started hiding the identities of bidders for anything over £100.

I sell 95% of my stuff with a good old fashioned sensible reserve, but start at a £1 just to generate some interest!:lol:

[JohnDotCom]

They sometimes just offer it to the next highest bidder if it was for enough!

£1 starting price is about my normal limit since SWMBO took my Credit cards
Cheaper listing fees to of course jules

[palwing]

I reckon it might get couple of bids tomorrow.......

[palwing]

WOW, AMAZING! If only I could predict the lottery numbers as well as this.

Yep.. as predicted, a new bidder (#10) pushed the price up from £7950 to £9101. Well, they couldn't risk it going for less than £9k could they?

Shall we have a closer look at the last 30 day history of this newcomer? A guy who is so keen on buying this bargain, that he bid at 02:35 this morning. He must really want it bad??

Item 1 Cars, Parts & Vehicles > Cars > Rover/ MG 1 Seller 1 2d 18h
Item 2 Cars, Parts & Vehicles > Car Parts > Rover/ MGF 1 Seller 2 3d 19h
Item 3 Cars, Parts & Vehicles > Car Parts > Rover/ MGF 1 Seller 2 1d 18h
Item 4 Cars, Parts & Vehicles > Car Parts > Rover/ MGF 1 Seller 3 4d 22h
Item 5 Cars, Parts & Vehicles > Car Parts > Rover/ MGF 1 Seller 3 6d 21h
Item 6 Cars, Parts & Vehicles > Car Parts > Rover/ MGF 1 Seller 3 7h
Item 7 Cars, Parts & Vehicles > Car Parts > Rover/ MGF 2 Seller 3 3d 5h
Item 8 Consumer Electronics > Home Audio/ Hi Fi > Systems 1 Seller 4 9d 2h
Item 9 Cars, Parts & Vehicles > Car Parts > Rover/ MGF 1 Seller 3 1d 8h

The history shows he has been a keen bidder on cars ,but it doesn't look like he managed to win anything. He's been as unlucky as all the other bidders. Let's wait and see if his luck has changed with this auction?


The auction is now within spitting distance of the end with just over 2 days to go. I predict a steady push to over £10k over the next 24 hours and then, let the fun begin!

[Jules]

Have you noticed though 99 % of the bids are before 5.00 PM
So either they are traders or professional shillers

The bid last night was probably someone off his trolley

[palwing]

Originally Posted by julesbass

Have you noticed though 99 % of the bids are before 5.00 PM
So either they are traders or professional shillers

The bid last night was probably someone off his trolley

Hi Jules

Nope, I hadn't clocked that and most probably quite relevant. I have noticed that most first bids are within an hour of the auction opening. Sometimes within 20 minutes! Amazingly, I have also seen 5 bids within the first hour of a 10 day auction! As if!!!!

I have sold a few cars on e-bay myself, as you have too. How many auctions have you done that have had such a rapid response? This lot have it EVERY time. Sucks huh?

By the way, I like the look of the 4.2 V8 Jag they have for sale. What ya reckon?

I got your reply and will keep my ear to the ground for anything in your area. Works for me! Per Ardua Ad Astra..as they say.

[Jules]

Jag looks nice. A lot of car for ya money!
Sensible mileage too but it's had 3 owners though

[palwing]

Phoned my local Jag dealer ref the V8 and they said that their database doesn't link to other dealers, so they would be unlikely to have any details on this Jag. He checked anyway and what do ya know? It was serviced near to me for the 10k service back in 2004. Only thing to note was front tyre wear.

Man on the phone reckons they are pretty bullet proof and servicing is quite cheap. The V8 Jag is due a service every 10k miles and it's overdue one now. The 60k service is £329 by Jag, which isn't bad at all! Biggest cost is suspension parts such as bushes. Approx £300/set fitted. Still not huge though is it?

As you say, that Jag is a LOT of car. Hmmmm....do I really need a 2nd car right now?

[palwing]

Looks like they are moving the Jag price up. £3k is far too cheap to let a No Reserve car go for. Last one they sold went for £11k ish.

New bidder #5 has pushed it up. Lets have a look at his last 30 day history too,huh?

Any guesses what sort of bidder he is?

Item 1 Cars, Parts & Vehicles > Cars > Jaguar 1 Seller 1 2d 3h
Item 2 Cars, Parts & Vehicles > Cars > Jaguar 1 Seller 2 2d 3h
Item 3 Cars, Parts & Vehicles > Cars > Mercedes-Benz 1 Seller 3 1d 4h
Item 4 Cars, Parts & Vehicles > Cars > Audi 2 Seller 4 2h
Item 5 Cars, Parts & Vehicles > Cars > BMW 1 Seller 5 2d 23h
Item 6 Cars, Parts & Vehicles > Cars > BMW 1 Seller 6 2d 7h
Item 7 Cars, Parts & Vehicles > Cars > BMW 1 Seller 7 2d 5h
Item 8 Cars, Parts & Vehicles > Cars > BMW 1 Seller 8 2d
Item 9 Cars, Parts & Vehicles > Cars > BMW 1 Seller 9 1d 23h
Item 10 Cars, Parts & Vehicles > Cars > BMW 1 Seller 10 1d 8h
Item 11 Cars, Parts & Vehicles > Cars > BMW 1 Seller 11 1d 8h
Item 12 Cars, Parts & Vehicles > Cars > BMW 1 Seller 12 19h
Item 13 Cars, Parts & Vehicles > Cars > Toyota 1 Seller 13 2d 20h
Item 14 Cars, Parts & Vehicles > Cars > BMW 1 Seller 14 2d 5h
Item 15 Cars, Parts & Vehicles > Cars > BMW 2 Seller 15 4h
Item 16 Cars, Parts & Vehicles > Cars > BMW 1 Seller 16 21h
Item 17 Cars, Parts & Vehicles > Cars > BMW 1 Seller 17 <1h
Item 18 Cars, Parts & Vehicles > Cars > Volvo 1 Seller 18 1h
Item 19 Cars, Parts & Vehicles > Cars > Mercedes-Benz 2 Seller 19 3h
Item 20 Cars, Parts & Vehicles > Cars > Volkswagen 1 Seller 20 <1h
Item 21 Cars, Parts & Vehicles > Cars > Mercedes-Benz 1 Seller 21 1d 4h
Item 22 Cars, Parts & Vehicles > Cars > BMW 1 Seller 22 <1h
Item 23 Cars, Parts & Vehicles > Cars > BMW 1 Seller 23 8h
Item 24 Cars, Parts & Vehicles > Cars > BMW 1 Seller 24 7h
Item 25 Cars, Parts & Vehicles > Cars > Audi 3 Seller 25 3d 1h
Item 26 Cars, Parts & Vehicles > Cars > Volkswagen 1 Seller 26 1d 5h
Item 27 Cars, Parts & Vehicles > Cars > Mercedes-Benz 1 Seller 27 2d 22h
Item 28 Cars, Parts & Vehicles > Cars > Mercedes-Benz 1 Seller 3 1d 5h
Item 29 Cars, Parts & Vehicles > Cars > Ford 1 Seller 28 1d 2h
Item 30 Cars, Parts & Vehicles > Cars > Audi 4 Seller 29 9h

WOW..look familiar??

I guess the Rover V8 will start to move now, too..........ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....