Top Engine Mount

Teflon · 24th April 2018, 14:58

Can anyone here confirm if it's okay to remove the top "engine mount" (at least, that's what I call it!) without supporting the engine? The bit I'm referring to is the big metal part with grooves and a rubber centre that bolts to the off-side inner wing (see photo).

To my eyes, it looks like it just stops the engine from shaking around rather than taking it's full weight and should come off with the removal of 4 or 5 large bolts. Second question: if it can be safely removed, is it easy to get back on?

Obviously, I wouldn't contemplate starting the engine without the part safely in place.

Cliff

paul d · 24th April 2018, 15:07

To be honest whenever I've removed these on my diesel, helps you to drop the engine to make changing the belts easier I've always supported the engine under the sump with a block of wood on the jack spreading the weight.

Others may differ but that's what I do

Regards

Paul

Teflon · 24th April 2018, 15:14

Aaah, ok. Doesn't sound to onerous, but maybe I'd be better off leaving well alone

. I should perhaps add, I'm thinking primarily off the 1.8 engine (rather than my own V6) as I'm giving someone a hand to tidy up their engine bay. That said though, if it was as simple as I first thought, I'd do the same to my V6

.

Cliff

PS

Thanks for the very quick response - much appreciated

Number 6 · 24th April 2018, 15:15

i would deffinetly supprt the engine from underneath as already suggested.

suzublu · 24th April 2018, 15:18

Renewed mine a couple of years back Cliff, straight off without propping the engine

Bit fiddly to juggle out but no real worries

Teflon · 24th April 2018, 15:27

Cheers Ronnie, sounds like it's doable then (on the 1.8 at least). I'll have to give this some thought (that'll make a change!).

Cliff

Bolin · 24th April 2018, 15:45

It's just the upper tie-bar, so stops the engine rocking and doesn't take weight as such.

The hydramount is the one that takes the weight

You can remove without supporting the engine as it is fully supported by the hydramount.

MGR even did a technical tip or bulletin to help with NVH in which they suggested running the engine with the upper tie-bar bolts slackened and then tighten them up.

I assumed you were taking it off your Lagoon to make it even shinier!

Teflon · 24th April 2018, 16:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bolin

It's just the upper tie-bar, so stops the engine rocking and doesn't take weight as such.

The hydramount is the one that takes the weight

You can remove without supporting the engine as it is fully supported by the hydramount.

MGR even did a technical tip or bulletin to help with NVH in which they suggested running the engine with the upper tie-bar bolts slackened and then tighten them up.

Thanks, that makes sense.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bolin

I assumed you were taking it off your Lagoon to make it even shinier!

On the V6, I'd quite like to take the whole thing off (including the black painted part) to give the black part a fresh coat of paint. Looking at it though, there's one bolt that holds the black part on that won't come out as it will foul the inner wing

. Looks like the whole engine mount would need to come out to get access. Think I'll be leaving that alone, unless I can paint it in situ perhaps.

Cliff

genpk · 24th April 2018, 22:30

Last coupke i did all i did was chock a block of timber between the intake
manifold and the firewall.
Just dont push it down to far as you could damage the spark plug coils.
Engine never moved and new part bolted straight in.

Arctic · 24th April 2018, 23:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teflon

Thanks, that makes sense.

Quote:

On the V6, I'd quite like to take the whole thing off (including the black painted part) to give the black part a fresh coat of paint. Looking at it though, there's one bolt that holds the black part on that won't come out as it will foul the inner wing

. Looks like the whole engine mount would need to come out to get access. Think I'll be leaving that alone, unless I can paint it in situ perhaps.

Cliff

Hi Cliff.
You would first need to jack the car up onto axle stands, then remove the under tray if you have one, then undo the lower engine mount at one end.

Then you could turn your attention to remove the tie bar and it's black mount bracket, as you say you would need to undo/remove the hydra mount top nut so you can remove the black mount bracket.

You then need to support the engine with a trolley jack using a piece of wood under the sump edge, so you can jack the engine up a little to remove that awkward bolt.

Sounds complicated but it is more time consuming than being hard to do, once you have the engine supported it is plane sailing. few pics below.

24th April 2018, 14:58	#1
Teflon This is my second home Lagoon 2.0 V6 75 Conn SE Saloon Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Chertsey Posts: 5,203 Thanks: 2,825 Thanked 2,920 Times in 1,570 Posts	Top Engine Mount Can anyone here confirm if it's okay to remove the top "engine mount" (at least, that's what I call it!) without supporting the engine? The bit I'm referring to is the big metal part with grooves and a rubber centre that bolts to the off-side inner wing (see photo). To my eyes, it looks like it just stops the engine from shaking around rather than taking it's full weight and should come off with the removal of 4 or 5 large bolts. Second question: if it can be safely removed, is it easy to get back on? Obviously, I wouldn't contemplate starting the engine without the part safely in place. Cliff __________________ No. 4 of 6

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paul d Posted a thing or two Rover 75 Saloon & Saab 93 'vert Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: coventry Posts: 1,378 Thanks: 199 Thanked 204 Times in 162 Posts	To be honest whenever I've removed these on my diesel, helps you to drop the engine to make changing the belts easier I've always supported the engine under the sump with a block of wood on the jack spreading the weight. Others may differ but that's what I do Regards Paul __________________ The Colour WAS CELESTIAL...! Meanwhile Back At The Ranch...!!!

24th April 2018, 15:14	#3
Teflon This is my second home Lagoon 2.0 V6 75 Conn SE Saloon Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Chertsey Posts: 5,203 Thanks: 2,825 Thanked 2,920 Times in 1,570 Posts	Aaah, ok. Doesn't sound to onerous, but maybe I'd be better off leaving well alone . I should perhaps add, I'm thinking primarily off the 1.8 engine (rather than my own V6) as I'm giving someone a hand to tidy up their engine bay. That said though, if it was as simple as I first thought, I'd do the same to my V6 . Cliff PS Thanks for the very quick response - much appreciated __________________ No. 4 of 6

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Number 6 This is my second home Rover 75 tourer Club CD/Limo Tints Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Meneac Posts: 6,759 Thanks: 5,007 Thanked 1,609 Times in 869 Posts	i would deffinetly supprt the engine from underneath as already suggested. __________________ ] "I started out with nothing, and Ive still got most of it left!"

24th April 2018, 15:27	#6
Teflon This is my second home Lagoon 2.0 V6 75 Conn SE Saloon Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Chertsey Posts: 5,203 Thanks: 2,825 Thanked 2,920 Times in 1,570 Posts	Cheers Ronnie, sounds like it's doable then (on the 1.8 at least). I'll have to give this some thought (that'll make a change!). Cliff __________________ No. 4 of 6

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suzublu This is my second home rover 75 1.8 vvc club se wedgwood blue Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Seaton Carew Posts: 26,918 Thanks: 65 Thanked 7,142 Times in 4,642 Posts	Renewed mine a couple of years back Cliff, straight off without propping the engine Bit fiddly to juggle out but no real worries

24th April 2018, 15:45	#7
Bolin This is my second home Rover 75 2.5 V6 Connoisseur SE 4dr manual Wedgewood Blue 2 04-05/06/2001 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: N.E. Hampshire Posts: 4,617 Thanks: 289 Thanked 308 Times in 243 Posts	It's just the upper tie-bar, so stops the engine rocking and doesn't take weight as such. The hydramount is the one that takes the weight You can remove without supporting the engine as it is fully supported by the hydramount. MGR even did a technical tip or bulletin to help with NVH in which they suggested running the engine with the upper tie-bar bolts slackened and then tighten them up. I assumed you were taking it off your Lagoon to make it even shinier! __________________ "...the new Rover 75, which is a fabulous car......I think it looks fabulous....It's like sitting in a Rolls Royce......For me, this is the star of the show.....it looks so good" - J. Clarkson, motoring journalist on the launch of the Rover 75 in 1998.

24th April 2018, 22:30	#9
genpk Posted a thing or two Rover 75 Saloon MGZT Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Perth, AUSTRALIA Posts: 1,663 Thanks: 3 Thanked 461 Times in 299 Posts	Last coupke i did all i did was chock a block of timber between the intake manifold and the firewall. Just dont push it down to far as you could damage the spark plug coils. Engine never moved and new part bolted straight in.