V8 front end and 4x4

Keith · 24th April 2007, 19:00

How radically reengineered is the V8 front end re engine mountings etc

Could it be re adapted to take the KV6 without too much grief and could that KV6 come from a freelander to create something with 4wd?

btw if the freelander still a transverse lump

just thinking aloud

pmessling · 25th April 2007, 13:10

theres a thread on the 260's about a 4wd zt, and i believe it used the freelander KV6 and the rear of the 260. there was a prototype around some where

TJ 75Diesel estate · 25th April 2007, 20:26

Could be worth browsing this thread :-)
(use search in tech Forum)

Freelander drive train in a 75 estate?

Keith · 25th April 2007, 20:39

Yes read that originally just looking at it from the perspective of the v8 chasis is sort of ready made if the FWD setup can go back in

One issue still becomes a problem, that of marrying up the electronics

Pete · 1st May 2007, 12:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by pmessling

theres a thread on the 260's about a 4wd zt, and i believe it used the freelander KV6 and the rear of the 260. there was a prototype around some where

Okay, I have to make a point here.

The forum you mentioned is closed to non-V8 owners. So it's an interesting bit of info but we can't see it.

pmessling · 2nd May 2007, 16:31

taken from the two sixites forum a little bit of info on the 4wd ZT

Yes there is a 4wd ZT, I saw it a few weeks ago. It is a very logical development route in that it is essentially the RWD back end married to the FWD ZT 2.5 KV6 using the PG1 gearbox from the Freelander as it has the bolt on power take off for drive to the rear axle.

In 1997 when I was running the Maestro Turbo with a solid 240bhp T16 I looked at creating a 4WD version using the then new Freelander transmission and a Golf Synchro rear suspension. Remember Golf and Maestro almost saw a Court case over apparent copying of the Golf designs in some areas, plus early versions used a Golf gearbox. The point was to enable me to push towards 300bhp as 240bhp was fine at outdragging Scoobies in the dry, in the damp or wet it was difficult to get enough traction to accelerate faster than a Cavalier 1.8! So without traction it would have been poiuntless, although a pal has a 270 bhp T16 with 291 lbs ft of torque and so with just over a tonne to haul around in the dry it is stupendous, but confirms the need for 4wd in any damp or wet conditions, although power delivery is completely progressive and easily controlled. Makes the 260 seem quite sluggish.

Digressing as usual...

Countach · 11th May 2007, 02:47

Don't suppose there's any way of matching the V8 to a fwd chassis to get a 4Wd V8? (Don't want an Audi RS4!)
or, how would you modify the KV6 to get your 300bhp...

Btw, still wondering about chances of retrofitting traction control..

MG ZTT190 w/lpg

Rincewind · 12th May 2007, 17:07

Traction control is for girls!!!!! You don't need it, your right foot and brain is all the traction control you need!

Keith · 12th May 2007, 20:56

Absolutely agree!
Every car I have ever had with TC fitted has been a pain or a dissapointment.

Only once when driving my 190 have I thought "I wonder what TC would have done" and that was when I was driving down the motorway with Cruise engaged and I hit a big puddle which caused a fair degree of wheel spin as the car slowed and cruise tried to compensate!

And I only wondered that because I assume TC would overide and disengage Cruise?

Countach · 13th May 2007, 00:36

TC Would help get me off the line better, I either spin the wheels or get lousy acceleration. I notice it most when pulling out of the drive and trying to put the power down. It would also (potentially) allow fitment of ESP, which would help my sense of safety when my dad's driving...

24th April 2007, 19:00	#1
Keith This is my second home ZT400 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Ellesmere Posts: 5,948 Thanks: 0 Thanked 43 Times in 29 Posts	V8 front end and 4x4 How radically reengineered is the V8 front end re engine mountings etc Could it be re adapted to take the KV6 without too much grief and could that KV6 come from a freelander to create something with 4wd? btw if the freelander still a transverse lump just thinking aloud

25th April 2007, 13:10	#2
pmessling Posted a thing or two TVR Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: West london Posts: 1,084 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	theres a thread on the 260's about a 4wd zt, and i believe it used the freelander KV6 and the rear of the 260. there was a prototype around some where __________________ Peter Essling Project carbon fibre well under way http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m.../Logo_260s.gif http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...ner468x60b.gif

2nd May 2007, 16:31	#6
pmessling Posted a thing or two TVR Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: West london Posts: 1,084 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	taken from the two sixites forum a little bit of info on the 4wd ZT Yes there is a 4wd ZT, I saw it a few weeks ago. It is a very logical development route in that it is essentially the RWD back end married to the FWD ZT 2.5 KV6 using the PG1 gearbox from the Freelander as it has the bolt on power take off for drive to the rear axle. In 1997 when I was running the Maestro Turbo with a solid 240bhp T16 I looked at creating a 4WD version using the then new Freelander transmission and a Golf Synchro rear suspension. Remember Golf and Maestro almost saw a Court case over apparent copying of the Golf designs in some areas, plus early versions used a Golf gearbox. The point was to enable me to push towards 300bhp as 240bhp was fine at outdragging Scoobies in the dry, in the damp or wet it was difficult to get enough traction to accelerate faster than a Cavalier 1.8! So without traction it would have been poiuntless, although a pal has a 270 bhp T16 with 291 lbs ft of torque and so with just over a tonne to haul around in the dry it is stupendous, but confirms the need for 4wd in any damp or wet conditions, although power delivery is completely progressive and easily controlled. Makes the 260 seem quite sluggish. Digressing as usual... __________________ Peter Essling Project carbon fibre well under way http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m.../Logo_260s.gif http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...ner468x60b.gif

12th May 2007, 17:07	#8
Rincewind Loves to post MINI Cooper S Works (Superchardged not Turbo!) Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Ashby-de-la-Zouch Posts: 385 Thanks: 9 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Traction control is for girls!!!!! You don't need it, your right foot and brain is all the traction control you need! __________________ Rincewind had been told that death was just like going into another room. *The difference is, when you shout, "Where's my clean socks?", no-one answers* MGR stories, MGR help and advice all available at no extra cost ! The Two Sixties - it's a V8 thing ... Honorary Member and Puddle of V8/4/6cyl Knowledge et al. [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Come see who I work for at www.vca.gov.uk without us, the world would be a right mess!

25th April 2007, 20:26	#3
TJ 75Diesel estate Newbie 75 estate diesel Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: North East Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Could be worth browsing this thread :-) (use search in tech Forum) Freelander drive train in a 75 estate?

25th April 2007, 20:39	#4
Keith This is my second home ZT400 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Ellesmere Posts: 5,948 Thanks: 0 Thanked 43 Times in 29 Posts	Yes read that originally just looking at it from the perspective of the v8 chasis is sort of ready made if the FWD setup can go back in One issue still becomes a problem, that of marrying up the electronics

11th May 2007, 02:47	#7
Countach Avid contributor MG ZT-T 190 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Dorridge, Solihull Posts: 171 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Don't suppose there's any way of matching the V8 to a fwd chassis to get a 4Wd V8? (Don't want an Audi RS4!) or, how would you modify the KV6 to get your 300bhp... Btw, still wondering about chances of retrofitting traction control.. MG ZTT190 w/lpg

12th May 2007, 20:56	#9
Keith This is my second home ZT400 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Ellesmere Posts: 5,948 Thanks: 0 Thanked 43 Times in 29 Posts	Absolutely agree! Every car I have ever had with TC fitted has been a pain or a dissapointment. Only once when driving my 190 have I thought "I wonder what TC would have done" and that was when I was driving down the motorway with Cruise engaged and I hit a big puddle which caused a fair degree of wheel spin as the car slowed and cruise tried to compensate! And I only wondered that because I assume TC would overide and disengage Cruise?

13th May 2007, 00:36	#10
Countach Avid contributor MG ZT-T 190 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Dorridge, Solihull Posts: 171 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	TC Would help get me off the line better, I either spin the wheels or get lousy acceleration. I notice it most when pulling out of the drive and trying to put the power down. It would also (potentially) allow fitment of ESP, which would help my sense of safety when my dad's driving...