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Old 23rd September 2014, 11:53   #681
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SNP membership has increased by 65 per cent since the referendum .

Interesting..........
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Old 23rd September 2014, 12:03   #682
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SNP membership has increased by 65 per cent since the referendum .

Interesting..........
How many people does that equate to?
I tend to be cautious around statistics....

I hear membership of the militant wing of the Salvation Army is up 100% after I decided to form and join it hehe.
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How many people does that equate to?
I tend to be cautious around statistics....

I hear membership of the militant wing of the Salvation Army is up 100% after I decided to form and join it hehe.
It equates to 42,000 from under 20,000.

Does this mean the sally ann will now go in for agressive begging ....
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Old 23rd September 2014, 15:22   #684
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It equates to 42,000 from under 20,000.

Does this mean the sally ann will now go in for agressive begging ....
That's a fair jump considering membership of political parties isn't exactly that popular. Take Labour for example, many supporters say 'they've always voted that way' but might not go as far as being a financial backer.

Any idea what percentage of Yes voters identified themselves as SNP supporters or Nationalists in that end of the political spectrum? I can't imagine all Yes voters lean towards the right - sure I even saw a few Socialist Workers Party banners at Yes rallies.
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Old 23rd September 2014, 20:41   #685
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If you are talking polls – then the current feeling across the rUK is that the Barnett formula need to be scrapped. Even the man himself – Joel Barnett – who is a Labour Party member of the House of Lords says it was only a temporary “fix” back in 1973!

The Barnett formula sets how much the bloc grant for Scotland rose each year, given the extent of the rise in comparable English spending.

This is the reason why Scotland can spend around one fifth per head of the population more than England.

This enables Scotland to offer free tuition for Scottish students at university, and better terms for care for the elderly amongst other matters.

Scotland now has around the same income per head as England.

SNP Ministers are constantly telling us Scotland is a rich country.

So ask your average English person about this and many will ask why the favoured treatment?

So whilst I am pleased the membership of the SNP is increasing – partly because it needs new blood as Scotland was so badly served by Salmond et al who snatched defeat from the jaws of victory – I would say that if we had a party that wanted to represent English views – an ENP for example then it would poll far more increased membership than the other three parties we put up with.

Especially after the cringworthy debacle of the Three Amigos visit to Scotland.

I beg to differ. Scotland was not badly served by Alec Salmond. Without him there would have been no referendum. He took the Yes vote from way behind to slightly in front in one poll. The three stoogies then panicked and along with their big business cronies made serious economic threats ( Asda your shopping is going to cost more, blah blah and extremely rash political promises that were a panic measure with the implications not thought out.)

One and a half million Scots residents voted yes ( this includes non Scottish born. In fact my two English friends both voted Yes and were even campaigning) In other words they believed things are currently so badly served by the political elite at Westminster they voted to leave the UK. This is a staggering number. It caused utter panic at Westminster. They actually thought there was a real danger of a Yes victory. Hence the utter nonsence of Brown et al. An unholy alliance of three people led by an ex PM who all can't stand the sight of each other.

As per wealth. What the Yes campaign (SNP and part of the Labour party....yes they really couldn't make their minds up!) were talking about was if we were on our own. Not putting all the income tax, corporation tax, duty, oil and gas revenue into the big dark hole of Westminster. Then getting a package back.
Figures can be made to say anything. It depends who you believe.
Ask yoursef this. Do you honestly think that over the last 30 years Scotland has received anything like all of the oil revenue? Has even got a fair share? Like the clever way Norway has dealt with oil revenue? Oh dear, forgot it has all been spent! Unlike Norway. They have never spent it all. In fact they cannot even spend all the interest on their common good fund. Only a percentage. That way the common good fund continues to grow forever. Even after the oil is gone!
What have our clever lot done with it all?

I have kept saying all through this, that to us, the vote was not about the SNP or Alec Salmond. It was about getting control of our own affairs. Then we could vote in and out any government the electorate chose. Be that SNP, Labour, Lib Dem, Greens and any combination in between. It was when this was achieved the Yes campaign was talking about a 'rich' country. Rich in Agriculture, rich in natural resources like water, hydro electricity, rich in tourism, rich in fish stocks ( given control of these affairs there is no shortage of sustainable fish stocks) and yes rich in oil and gas reserves. Despite what is said there is still quite a lot left and areas not explored. Finally one other thing that Scotland is rich with. Further Education and a history of high achievers in their professional fields.
That is what the Yes campaign mean by a rich country.

However, despite this we are a country that has some unique problems. Public health for one. The lowest life expectancy in the UK in parts of Glasgow. This is replicated in other cities in part. A drugs problem that is in some places out of control. Poverty among families with children. ( I deal with this every day)
I am not talking here about the much discussed 'benefit culture' that is blown out of all proportion. I am talking about genuine families that cannot afford to heat and eat! These are some of the reasons why our health spending is more.

In addition to all this I think that the media has reported what their various leaders and bias has expected. It is easy to say that Scotland spends more per head than England. The truth is far more complicated. It is easy to say that the SNP is a nationalistc right wing party. Far from the truth. We have to watch what we mean by nationalistic. If you mean looking for self determination then some of us were. However nationalism has undertones of something more right wing. The desire in history to expand and conquer. It is certainly not that. Much of SNP policy is in fact of a socialist nature. Certainly far more socialist than the UK Labour party.

As for the Barnet formula. Perhaps it was well overdue a review. However, it has, like it or not, been guaranteed by the terrible threesome and spokesman Brown. As have reforms to devolved powers. We will wait and see...


Further more, one final point. The vast majority of us do not hate or despise the English as has been suggested by some. Yip, there are some idiots who behave like that, as are there are some south of the border dislike all things Scottish. Was the snatching of a St Andrew's flag from a teenager and the burning of St Andrew's flags in Glasgow Square widely discussed? It certainly got less coverage up here than the destruction of some No posters beside roads etc.

This in many ways has been about the failure of our politicians to address the difficulties and views of the Scottish people in a way that is perceived as fair. Emphasis on perceived. Now before people start jumping up and down I am sure there are huge parts of England, Wales and Northern Ireland feel exactly the same. We had an opportunity to express this in a high profile way thanks to the people who backed the Yes campaign. I voted Yes not because I thought I would be financially better off myself. Not as someone who voted no because ' I am alright Jack.' I voted Yes because I believe that we would make a better job of looking after all in Scotland if we had control of all of our affairs in the Scottish Parliament. Simple as that. Not because I thought it would all be easy. Not because I thought we would all be financially better off. I voted this way to make a difference.

I hope you understand what I mean. It is not said to annoy, just to explain how I feel and why some of us ( nearly half!) voted the way we did.

Chris

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The British constitution has emerged through the mists of time whilst the Americans came from gun powder smoke.

Us Britons do not like fast change. We prefer it slow and gradual - time to adjust at our own pace..

Should devo max get the go ahead and the Scottish Parliament be given time to prove that they are capable of creating robust and effective policies, we may see the populace feeling that going it alone is far less risky than it appears now.
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The British constitution has emerged through the mists of time whilst the Americans came from gun powder smoke.

Us Britons do not like fast change. We prefer it slow and gradual - time to adjust at our own pace..

Should devo max get the go ahead and the Scottish Parliament be given time to prove that they are capable of creating robust and effective policies, we may see the populace feeling that going it alone is far less risky than it appears now.
Evolution rather than Revolution.
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