You've got to admire the Scots!

[Poppy]

Originally Posted by guru

I'm sorry but what absolute rubbish. 'He was a diabetic, he was confused, he was just a little boy' etc etc, it's just rubbish. What he was is an obnoxiousness free-loader who was attempting to get a service for free that everyone else had paid for and became insulting and disrespectful when challenged. If everyone all of a sudden decided that it was OK not to pay for things where would we be as a society?

As at least 2 of the other passengers have said they would have paid for his ticket except for the fact that he had such an attitude. Even the bloke himself has said that he doesn't condone the way he behaved.

I dare say that had he acted differently the conductor would have been far more lenient in return however given his behaviour I think the only option left was for him to be removed from the train.

As for him being a diabetic and leaving his bag on the train I'm sure in the video you see another passenger throwing out to him.

As iI said in my first post....

[derekosb]

I've read so many comments about this incident with such polar opinions and it is extremely divisive.

Nobody really comes out of it well. However, if the student had properly explained his position (even if he had no money on him) it would have had a very different outcome. He claims he was advised, due to his proposed travelling time, that two singles would be cheaper but was issued with two for the same journey rather than reverse tickets. A plausible story you might think, but also one that nicely fits using an earlier single ticket. (I know, I'm cynical).

However, rather than try to explain any of that he simply got abusive towards the ticket inspector. This attitude would most likely have added to the reasons why he was physically ejected. Yes,, his bag was passed out to him and it was only at the third attempt to throw himself back on the train that he was thrown to the platform.

The 1st time I watched it I was pleased to see a "fare dodger" and abusive youth get what he deserved. All that has come out since has made me question that initial reaction, but I don't buy the "victim" cry from the student or his father. That they are bringing charges I think stinks as it only serves to dissuade members of the public from coming to anyone's aid in times of need, for fear of repercussions. It will also waste Police and court time on a unneccesary paper chase.

If I was the boys father, whilst I may not be pleased with what had happened, would be embarrassed by the abusive "son" and would sort that issue before anything else.

This was meant to be a quick response and became a bit more than I intended, but it has raised issues, that started with the riots earlier this year, that obviously still irritate me.

Apologies for the longer than intended post.

Derek

[Poppy]

Originally Posted by derekosb

I've read so many comments about this incident with such polar opinions and it is extremely divisive.

Nobody really comes out of it well. However, if the student had properly explained his position (even if he had no money on him) it would have had a very different outcome. He claims he was advised, due to his proposed travelling time, that two singles would be cheaper but was issued with two for the same journey rather than reverse tickets. A plausible story you might think, but also one that nicely fits using an earlier single ticket. (I know, I'm cynical).

However, rather than try to explain any of that he simply got abusive towards the ticket inspector. This attitude would most likely have added to the reasons why he was physically ejected. Yes,, his bag was passed out to him and it was only at the third attempt to throw himself back on the train that he was thrown to the platform.

The 1st time I watched it I was pleased to see a "fare dodger" and abusive youth get what he deserved. All that has come out since has made me question that initial reaction, but I don't buy the "victim" cry from the student or his father. That they are bringing charges I think stinks as it only serves to dissuade members of the public from coming to anyone's aid in times of need, for fear of repercussions. It will also waste Police and court time on a unneccesary paper chase.

If I was the boys father, whilst I may not be pleased with what had happened, would be embarrassed by the abusive "son" and would sort that issue before anything else.

This was meant to be a quick response and became a bit more than I intended, but it has raised issues, that started with the riots earlier this year, that obviously still irritate me.

Apologies for the longer than intended post.

Derek

Another no nonsense Post...Well Said....

[MN190]

Originally Posted by derekosb

If I was the boys father, whilst I may not be pleased with what had happened, would be embarrassed by the abusive "son" and would sort that issue before anything else.

Derek

Unfortunately not all parents will take this attitude and you will get no support from the authorities in taking this stance.

[derekosb]

Originally Posted by MN190

Unfortunately not all parents will take this attitude and you will get no support from the authorities in taking this stance.

To be clear, when I say "sort" that issue I do not mean by physical means, I am not that sort of parent. I realise on reading that back it could be construed that way, that was not my intention.

Derek

[Departed 32016]

Either way it was funny!

[MN190]

Originally Posted by derekosb

To be clear, when I say "sort" that issue I do not mean by physical means, I am not that sort of parent. I realise on reading that back it could be construed that way, that was not my intention.

Derek

I didn't think you meant physical.
Quite a few parents aren't interested in their off springs behaviour and too often the perpetrators rights gets in the way off their the victim(s) rights.

[Leyland Worldmaster]

Originally Posted by guru

Don't know if this has already been posted;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-fife-16143909

Basically a fare dodger was holding up proceedings and being generally disrespectful and obnoxious so the 'big man' decided to help the conductor by removing the idiot from the train! I thought he did it in a very controlled manner however sadly I dare say that he'll end up being done for assault but it was nice to see at the end of the video the other passengers clapping him.

I admire the bloke for getting him off the train; the problem seems to be people like the non fare paying passenger having a stinking attitude; it appears he has difficulties understanding the differences between rights and privileges. This sort of thing is widespread and although steps are being taken to address this problem; on many occasions I've refused travel to abusive fare evading miscreants- due to their attitude- I really don't know why people think its okay to be rude and abusive to transport workers; or anyone else for that matter. Hope the guy who ejected the passenger doesn't face legal action.

[3stripes]

my fear here is now that it,s been reported and made official is the big guy gets charged with assault and barred from the trains, the conductor gets suspended or sacked for allowing it to happen even joining in with the removal and the little *** gets bit compo and free train travel. questionable why did he wait 5 days to report it and he,s not shown anyone the ticket he claims to have and clearly heard on video he not paying and not getting off. legally the big guy aint got a leg to stand on possibly neither has conductor but morally most would agree with what they did, as did the passengers who applauded him.
phil

[FredSpencer]

Originally Posted by guru

I'm sorry but what absolute rubbish. 'He was a diabetic, he was confused, he was just a little boy' etc etc, it's just rubbish. What he was is an obnoxiousness free-loader who was attempting to get a service for free that everyone else had paid for and became insulting and disrespectful when challenged. If everyone all of a sudden decided that it was OK not to pay for things where would we be as a society?

As at least 2 of the other passengers have said they would have paid for his ticket except for the fact that he had such an attitude. Even the bloke himself has said that he doesn't condone the way he behaved.

I dare say that had he acted differently the conductor would have been far more lenient in return however given his behaviour I think the only option left was for him to be removed from the train.

As for him being a diabetic and leaving his bag on the train I'm sure in the video you see another passenger throwing out to him.

So big fat blokes can just throw their weight around whenever they feel like it, eh? I don't know, what a state of affairs ...... must be why so many people are becoming obese these days.