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Old 29th July 2019, 11:36   #21
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Hi Steve,

I haven't been able to identify these connections. Is it possible for you to highlight it on the photos please?

Simon
Post 2. 3rd photo down, left hand side
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Old 29th July 2019, 11:52   #22
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Hi Dave,

Do you mean that mystery item (to me) which looks like a massive terminal block in the top left-hand corner of the photo? If so, I can see a brown cable but the other one seems to be sheathed throughout its visible length.

Also, the brown wire appears to be the incoming positive high current supply so the mystery item can't be an earthing point.

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Hi Simon.
The photo's & wires that I myself & Dave are referring too, I have marked them with a blue dot, these usually come from the control box and to the plug ends of the fan motor loom, then onto the cars main loom in the wing.

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I have no idea what the white block is, but the wires seem to be going into it then on to the fan motor, at first glance thought a Four wire 3 speed control box and its wiring had been used to try and fit a two speed fan from another car but looking at it more it seems the control box is in fact from a two wire 2 speed fan, so I don't really understand why all the wire changing as been done?
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Old 29th July 2019, 14:53   #24
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My humble apology for the late reply Bro Arctic and Bro Simon, here are the pictures and a badly drawn diagram .Apologies if the pictures are not shown as I still cant figure out how to paste the photos as IMG.

Picture diagram
https://ibb.co/SKgQSpP


Connection from fan into 3 different wires, red,green,black
https://ibb.co/yPr0Q87


Resistor is connected by the red wire from relay box and looped back into the relay box as grey wire
https://ibb.co/x1K62jD


Black wire from fan(from the 3 wires, red,green,black)is connected to a black socket and exits as a white wire. The white wire is then grounded to body (as black wire is short, its lengthen by joining a white wire through the socket)
https://ibb.co/1T9bJfB

https://ibb.co/nQxFc62


Red and green wire from fan (from the 3 wires, red,green,black) is joint into a white socket and exits as a single wire connected to the RL-150B 12V 75AMP
https://ibb.co/Ybsr0gz

https://ibb.co/FKVRK8k

https://ibb.co/FgxGh0R


RL-150B 12V 75AMP
https://ibb.co/4Fmtvh1

https://ibb.co/GWgK3dN


Red and white wire from RL-150B 12V 75AMP, White wire is grounded, Red wire is connected to the black socket
https://ibb.co/QbpGM0D

https://ibb.co/kSPq44T

https://ibb.co/bzyxWFn


Fan Relay box
https://ibb.co/0fP1wwQ

https://ibb.co/Ksq8HL2

https://ibb.co/Z6xFWxr


Butchered wire from the red wire coming from the relay box
https://ibb.co/rFYhJqs


Pretty clueless at this point on how to proceed.

Thank you once more in advance
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Hi Zeekleer
Is that your real name ? I have copied your photo's to an hosting programme and will post them up so any members whom want to get involved with helping you sort out your fan wiring can see them, I will up load them shortly after I have ate my evening meal

Its looks to me as we are going to have to start at the beginning, this will mean taking the fan off your car sorry to say but we can make it happen
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I would also check that resistor that has been fitted. It may be a "gold" resistor, but it certainly looks like a 50w one to me and not the 100w one that is required! Looks the same size as the silver one that blows.
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I would also check that resistor that has been fitted. It may be a "gold" resistor, but it certainly looks like a 50w one to me and not the 100w one that is required! Looks the same size as the silver one that blows.[/QUOT
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HI Jamie.
Your spot on I think I noticed that earlier its nice and sunny
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Ok zickleer.
here we go a copy of your photo from above post so others can see what we are talking about.

Picture diagram.
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Connection from fan into 3 different wires, red, green, black.
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Resistor is connected by the red wire from relay box and looped back into the relay box as grey wire.
3

Black wire from fan(from the 3 wires, red, green, black)is connected to a black socket and exits as a white wire. The white wire is then grounded to body (as black wire is short, its lengthen by joining a white wire through the socket)
4

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Red and green wire from fan (from the 3 wires, red, green, black) is joint into a white socket and exits as a single wire connected to the RL-150B 12V 75AMP.
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RL-150B 12V 75AMP.
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Red and white wire from RL-150B 12V 75AMP, White wire is grounded, Red wire is connected to the black socket.
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Fan Relay box.
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Butchered wire from the red wire coming from the relay box.
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In the photo above you can see the purple wire which is used in a four wire 3 speed fan.


Zickleer what you need to do for us is remove the fan from the car, look at the photo's you should be able to remove the fan blade and its motor with out taking the cowling off the car.

Do this by removing the three nuts that hold it on, if not then remove the slam panel then the fan cowling with the fan attached taking photo's as you go so you know how it all goes back together.

Simon & Dave do you agree or do you have any other suggestions which he could go down, please say its appreciated
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The biggest problem we have on this is the distance and none of us can pop round and sort it
Would be a lot easier with the whole assembly including the RF-150 box were laid out separate from the car.

Still, my initial observations: The fan is not original and appears to be a two or three speed fan that has been converted to a single speed.
My thinking behind this is:
Black is negative
When energised then:
Green slow speed (currently spliced together)
Red medium speed (currently spliced together)
Both high speed
Then again I strongly suspect it could be simply Low/High

So, we can now take the fan wiring out of the equation.

Following the way the resistor is wired the feed from the plug goes to the control box and the circuit through the resistor is made complete when BOTH the relays are energised. this then returns to the plug.
Is it possible that the wiring in the plug then completes the path to the mysterious RL -150 box which in turn sends the power to the fan.

I would suggest that providing the cars wiring has Not been altered upstream of the main plugs then a replacement fan harness with a modification to remove the resistor and not to splice the high and low wires together to go straight to the red and green on the fan.


EDIT: If I Remember correctly the car harness is always live even with the keys removed so care should be taken.
Edit 2: Could it be a 1.8 fan?
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The biggest problem we have on this is the distance and none of us can pop round and sort it
Would be a lot easier with the whole assembly including the RF-150 box were laid out separate from the car.

Still, my initial observations: The fan is not original and appears to be a two or three speed fan that has been converted to a single speed.
My thinking behind this is:
Black is negative
When energised then:
Green slow speed (currently spliced together)
Red medium speed (currently spliced together)
Both high speed
Then again I strongly suspect it could be simply Low/High

So, we can now take the fan wiring out of the equation.

Following the way the resistor is wired the feed from the plug goes to the control box and the circuit through the resistor is made complete when BOTH the relays are energised. this then returns to the plug.
Is it possible that the wiring in the plug then completes the path to the mysterious RL -150 box which in turn sends the power to the fan.

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I would suggest that providing the cars wiring has Not been altered upstream of the main plugs then a replacement fan harness with a modification to remove the resistor and not to splice the high and low wires together to go straight to the red and green on the fan.


EDIT: If I Remember correctly the car harness is always live even with the keys removed so care should be taken.
Edit 2: Could it be a 1.8 fan?
HI Dave
Big thank you for getting on board if it is a 1.8 fan its not from our model of car, don't know about the 25/45 version. the fan blades are totally different, I have just come from the shed after taking a load of photo's for Zickleer if he needs them of both the wiring for the Diesel two wire 2 speed fan, & the four wire 3 speed fan.

As you say we have to hope the main loom for the fan coming from the cars wiring as not been tampered with

PS I would like to see the black conduit removed from the wiring so we can see the wiring joint inside of it. (Photo 16 )
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