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Old 12th November 2018, 05:53   #11
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I had this very thing at the weekend while tracing a small coolant leak on my V6. The correct procedure, which I of course adhered to religiously is:

1. Ask mechanic if he has a girlfriend
2. Ask to see photo of same in order to estimate size of hands
3. Enquire if she likes engines
4. If the answer to "3" above is "yes" then get her to come round and insert her small hand into the available gap and guide/hold the socket onto the bolt.

If you don't have access to the above solution then a 1/4" ratchet with extension inserted through the gaps in the R/H (rear) manifold works fine.
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Old 12th November 2018, 07:56   #12
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You are unlikely to find anything like this type of quality at Halfords or Screwfix, and if looked after, it will see you to the end of the time you wish to work on cars.


I use Norbar torque wrenches too Jonathan. They are available brand new from specialist tool shops on the internet and the company has a helpful technical advice and recalibration department in Banbury (if I remember the location correctly).

But good tools are expensive so don't be tempted to waste your money on something inferior as Brian warns. The price will be not much more than a hour's labour at a garage and that saving will be repeated over and over again on future jobs.

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Old 12th November 2018, 17:26   #13
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hi i use signet tools but you must have all torque wrenches calibrated every year , i have to have this done if i dont i cant use them ,

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Old 13th November 2018, 07:08   #14
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hi i use signet tools but you must have all torque wrenches calibrated every year , i have to have this done if i dont i cant use them ,

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It's just as well I built myself a TMS 2000 in 1987 as a test bed then isn't it?

It measures from 0-2000 lb/ft in a range of torque transducers going from 1/4" drive up to 2" drive.

And how do we know that this equipment itself is accurate? well the testing tool for the tester is a pivot bar, where the pivot is 2' from the point where you hang your weights, so for example you hang a 5lb weight on the beam, it exerts 10 lb/ft on the transducer and so on

So they can be tested for linearity along with accuracy, I must have done something right in a former life to have rescued such a gem from the asset strippers that killed the company I worked for

I cannot issue a UKAS certificate for my tools, however I know they are more accurate than most, and definitely more accurate than a Milwaukee 1000Nm rattle gun with a 3/4" to 1/2" reducing drive fitted

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... 0-2000 lb/ft ...
Brian, you demonstrated your laudable interest in accuracy the other day by pointing out that I had incorrectly described a set screw as a bolt. Now it's your turn.

The correct expression for torque is lbf.ft. It is pounds force, not a measure of weight and this value is multiplied by the applicable distance not divided by it as you have stated by using an oblique line. In conclusion, here's your trademark, the winking face.

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Brian, you demonstrated your laudable interest in accuracy the other day by pointing out that I had incorrectly described a set screw as a bolt. Now it's your turn.

The correct expression for torque is lbf.ft. It is pounds force, not a measure of weight and this value is multiplied by the applicable distance not divided by it as you have stated by using an oblique line. In conclusion, here's your trademark, the winking face.

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Ok Simon, now I'd like you to explain how an arrangement of four strain gauges bonded to a hardened steel shaft at 90 degree intervals and wired as a Wheatstone Bridge might be used to measure torque, and how to convert the output of said arrangement into a meaningful figure of measurement ( you may use either BG EE AE or SI measurements )

By the way torque is expressed as an axial vector, and the oblique is not a division sign, the oblique is used in much the same way as one may express a shorthand date as per today 13/11/2018, or indeed 13.11.2018, or even 13-11-2010.

You are quite correct that one lb/ft is the sum of one pound of force acting on a pivot one foot in length to the perpendicular, however no one outside of academia normally expresses it as lbf-ft.

A much more common misrepresentation is where torque is expressed as ft/lb, which you will know is the energy required to displace one pound over a linear length of one foot.

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That's a valiant attempt at digging yourself out of a hole Brian, but a failure nonetheless, and it took you a whole day to come up with it!
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... and the oblique is not a division sign ...
Oh really? Is "1/4" not the accepted mathematical expression for a quarter? I'll translate it for you: it means 1 divided by 4.
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... no one outside of academia normally expresses it as lbf-ft.
No-one outside 'academia' refers to set screws either.
Oh, and you've got it wrong again by using a hyphen.

You don't fool me Brian.

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That's a valiant attempt at digging yourself out of a hole Brian, but a failure nonetheless, and it took you a whole day to come up with it!

Oh really? Is "1/4" not the accepted mathematical expression for a quarter? I'll translate it for you: it means 1 divided by 4.

No-one outside 'academia' refers to set screws either.
Oh, and you've got it wrong again by using a hyphen.

You don't fool me Brian.

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Have you answered my first question I posed for you Simon?........ that will be a no that is because you are all bluff and bluster and unable to do so.

You are a master of quoting out of context, when it suits you, but at the end of the day who cares, I know the answer to the question, you can't even begin to grasp the concept, as it won't be written down for you in an MGR publication

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The correct expression for torque is lbf.ft. It is pounds force, not a measure of weight and ..........

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Is it mass or weight?

Something I wonder, ever since being told off by my physics teacher 30+ years ago. I imagine for calibration it would be relevant.

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Have you answered my first question I posed for you Simon?.
Of course not. Your diversionary tactics are of no interest to me.

Now, how about being magnanimous for once by admitting that you got something wrong?

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