Pavement parking ban!

[topman]

Originally Posted by planenut

Those that have their own drive don't get a discount on Council Tax if they park on it, and again, nobody actually has a legal right to stop on a road.

A neighbour near me has a white line across her driveway, but another neighbour who was parked on it, complained that he would then have to park elsewhere and then bring his children to their house - obviously that original neighbour's "fault".

What's council tax got to do with anything?

No one has the right to stop in the road, I'll remember that the next time the lights turn red

[HarryM1BYT]

Originally Posted by planenut

He finished with "I trust that this allays your concerns and hopefully you will support us on 2nd May." What do you think?

We had a similar problem, commuters cars blocking our local roads all day whilst their owners caught the trains and buses. I helped campaign for a single line operable from 10am to 1pm, it entirely solved our problem near the station, but moved the problem further out. Further out, they campaigned for a residents only parking scheme which I objected to and suggested our single yellow line system would be more suitable, which was what they did.


The further out the problem is moved, the more inclined the car owners become to leave their cars at home and walk. So it does certainly work.

[HarryM1BYT]

Originally Posted by bilzin

I had occasion to contact the local police to report a car totally on the pavement close to my house, requiring me to assist a wheelchair user onto the roadway to get past it.

When the young female PCSO arrived she told me...and I quote " if there's nobody trying to get past a pavement parked car...it's not an obstruction" ... REALLY ?

I was then treated to the admission that she had become a PCSO for "the buzz" and nothing else.

Still awaiting a reply from the Wiltshire PCC ...maybe one day ?

My understanding is that there is no offence committed by a vehicle being parked on the pavement, the offence is one of driving a motor vehicle on the pavement.

[MSS]

Originally Posted by macafee2

It is always nice to read a well thought out constructive reply, it is a shame yours does not match that criteria.

Thank you Ian - I am glad you like it!

Originally Posted by macafee2

How many cars are an acceptable number for a household?

Laws of physics would suggest equal to or less than the number of private parking spaces.

Originally Posted by macafee2

Does it matter how many cars there are at a household as long as they can store them all on their own property as well as visitors cars?

Yes - the number of cars owned should equal or be less than the number of private parking spaces that the property owner/occupier has paid for and is paying property tax on as part of his/her property.

Originally Posted by macafee2

Also you need to consider the practical reasons for using ones own car and not public transport.

I use to use public transport for getting to and from work. 20 minutes by car, an hour using public transport. I also had to fit in with the times of public transport which may not have been convenient.

The majority of people using cars around towns and cities are doing so purely out of choice and convenience despite there being viable public transport. I agree that is not the case for many rural communities.

Originally Posted by macafee2

Car ownership has increased but parking at new houses has decreased.

macafee2

Exactly - this is the root cause of the problem that needs to be tackled - increasing affordability of cars including multiple ownership per household.

Originally Posted by macafee2

So many new builds have parking for only 2 cars at best and so when visitors come parking becomes an issue. Where my sister lives, she has parking for 1, where do her visitors park? Another new build estate with parking problems

macafee2

There are far bigger issues concerning housing strategy than the number of private car parking spaces e.g. providing affordable housing for people on lower incomes of which there are increasing numbers!

The single largest cost in the overall cost of a the majority of houses is the land - the obvious solution to the problem of social housing is to build as many as possible residential properties on the limited land available rather than building fewer properties able to accommodate 2+ cars each.

If we are going to attempt social engineering through planning and development, then it needs to solve the core problems not ones associated with over indulgence.


P.S. In my experience most estates have "high-end" houses with 4 or more off-road parking places. Why does your daughter not move into such a place in order to accommodate her visitors?

[Terryf]

I would suggest, when builders are designing new housing estates that they put in decent width roads first then see how many houses they can build.
I am sure they put in the minimum road they can get away with to maximise the number of houses.
Terry

[MSS]

Originally Posted by planenut

Those that have their own drive don't get a discount on Council Tax if they park on it, and again, nobody actually has a legal right to stop on a road.

A neighbour near me has a white line across her driveway, but another neighbour who was parked on it, complained that he would then have to park elsewhere and then bring his children to their house - obviously that original neighbour's "fault".

My views on parking have been formed based on my experience of areas not far from you - Hounslow/Heston/Cranford. I recently counted the number of cars on a residential road per household at 2.5 whereas the number of parking places (including on one side of the road) is 1.7 per household. So the 0.8 cars per household are parked on children's play areas that were grassed but turn into mud during the winter and on the other side of the road thus blocking the road to delivery vehicles, refuse collection lorry etc.

Originally Posted by Terryf

I would suggest, when builders are designing new housing estates that they put in decent width roads first then see how many houses they can build.
I am sure they put in the minimum road they can get away with to maximise the number of houses.
Terry

The question still remains - who is going to pay the increased cost of such housing?

[Darcydog]

Originally Posted by COLVERT

Some councils have actually marked parking areas. Half on the road and half on the pavement.

Seems, at the moment, to be working for everybody.

Yes - they have this in Twickenham - it works well with the help of clear marking.

It’s obvious that without such a compromise no one on one side of the road would be able to park outside their house!

[Darcydog]

Where my son and daughter in law live in Brighton only street parking is available. Up to a year or so ago the situation was horrendous as it was a free for all as visitors and commuters could park for free. Leaving residents at a disadvantage.

They now have a Residents Parking Permit system which works very well indeed. They are allowed a number of free “visitor” slots that they simply book online so we can park.

What a difference this system makes to the area.

Residents should have first priority.

[HarryM1BYT]

Originally Posted by HarryM1BYT

Emailed in support of a pavement parking ban, except where it is completely unavoidable..

I have had an email reply back from them, asking if they could include my submission as evidence for the committee - I have replied yes..

[macafee2]

Originally Posted by mss

Thank you Ian - I am glad you like it!



Laws of physics would suggest equal to or less than the number of private parking spaces.



Yes - the number of cars owned should equal or be less than the number of private parking spaces that the property owner/occupier has paid for and is paying property tax on as part of his/her property.



The majority of people using cars around towns and cities are doing so purely out of choice and convenience despite there being viable public transport. I agree that is not the case for many rural communities.



Exactly - this is the root cause of the problem that needs to be tackled - increasing affordability of cars including multiple ownership per household.



There are far bigger issues concerning housing strategy than the number of private car parking spaces e.g. providing affordable housing for people on lower incomes of which there are increasing numbers!

The single largest cost in the overall cost of a the majority of houses is the land - the obvious solution to the problem of social housing is to build as many as possible residential properties on the limited land available rather than building fewer properties able to accommodate 2+ cars each.

If we are going to attempt social engineering through planning and development, then it needs to solve the core problems not ones associated with over indulgence.


P.S. In my experience most estates have "high-end" houses with 4 or more off-road parking places. Why does your daughter not move into such a place in order to accommodate her visitors?

To tell you why would lead to a whole new debate

macafee2