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Old 27th November 2019, 15:09   #31
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A very interesting read, and it's raised a question of my own, especially the part about being over the "legal limit" for cannabis in your blood stream.

I've been suffering with a compressed disc in my back for over 6 months now.
After multiple doctors appointments and time off work, 3 sessions at a chiropractor ( which got me walking again ) and absolutely loads of tablets from the doctors, mainly painkillers - which while I was on them I'm unable to drive anyway, I finally had an MRI scan which the doctor concluded that I'm going to need an operation on my back to ease the issue. Note I didn't say cure the issue.
I am now currently waiting for an appointment from the spine specialist, which I have been told will be some point in the new year.

So, the painkillers that I'm on now are now upsetting my stomach. These aren't prescribed ones, but strong ones from the chemist. I can still drive while taking them.

I have been considering CBD oil as an alternative to the painkillers.
I would never dream of smoking cannabis, but have been giving the CBD oil some serious thought as I need to keep working and cant afford any more time off work.

So, if I do decide to go down this route ( which now I'm thinking isn't such a good idea ) Will run the risk of loosing my licence if I have a run in with the police and get tested?
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Old 27th November 2019, 15:19   #32
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When you see the social pressure being exerted to legalise these poisons you must wonder why the heck they are allowed to do it. If it's illegal, it's illegal. So don't do it.

Any infringement should be prosecuted but everyone in authority casts a blind eye to efforts to further its use. The medical imperative is a false premise to use for general consumption. We do know it's part of the funding base for mass illegality and a gateway drug for mightier poisons that rapidly destroy not only the life of the addict but also extended family members and that the proceeds are used to support criminals.

Regarding the comparisons with alcohol what matters is the degree of intoxication from the product. Hemp is more or less instant, doesn't need to go through the digestive system and relies on transfer from lung to blood stream and then within a minute, straight to the brain. Providing the smoker has one of course.

With alcohol the % is what, about 4% of a pint? So the intoxication takes a lot longer and has nothing like the blunt kick of swamping of reactions. So it's cheaper, quicker to get kalied and appeals to the younger wannabe member of the movement.

I know for a fact our two girls were never victims, largely due to them reaching adulthood before the devil took over. I sympathise with parents of younger generations today, you are never right and can only keep trying to stem the tide for your children.
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Old 27th November 2019, 16:16   #33
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What I don’t understand about this thread is the dumbing down of cannabis smokers, is it only the poor dumb lower classes that have an issue?

There are fare worse legally prescribed drugs than cannabis that go without mention, or have the stigma attached to them, I wonder if that’s because numerous politicians are on the board of directors at glaxo smith kline, la Roche etc?


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Old 27th November 2019, 16:56   #34
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When I was a kid Andy it was Woodbines (in a paper packet of 5), Park Drive, or (if on a date) Players. These days you don't, at the moment, have to go into a shop to get cannabis. So it's possibly the prescription that gets in the way. Not for long though. The lobbies? Absolutely, every day lobbying of ministers and lower ranks, with all kinds of inducements on offer.
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Old 27th November 2019, 19:00   #35
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When I was a kid Andy it was Woodbines (in a paper packet of 5), Park Drive, or (if on a date) Players.
The shop nearest to my school used to sell single fags!
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The shop nearest to my school used to sell single fags!
Yes Steve, same as the shop near my school too.
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Old 28th November 2019, 05:44   #37
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Yes Steve, same as the shop near my school too.
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Well there you go. My particular council estate was a development area. The only noxious thing was Titbits.
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I'm not a pot smoker and never have been but a lot of people I know are and have been for many years now. Members of my family also use it and after quite a few discussions (arguments) on the subject and challenged to do my own research I did some.

The first was the recollection of a BBC documentary quite a few years ago. This looked at the affect of cannabis and alcohol on driving. Those tested were both low and frequent users of both. All tested on a test track sober and all past. They were all tested again just over the limit with alcohol and every one failed the test. They were then sobered up and retested after all smoking the same amount of cannabis and they all past the driving test. Some actually improved their score and the conclusion was that cannabis made people more cautious and actually slowed them down. Because the test was done on a small number of people it could not be considered definitive but pointing to errors in our perceptions. More controlled studies in other countries have echoed these results.

Cannabis only smokers are not generally aggressive like drunks, they are not found blocking up A&E depts. causing problems for the staff at the week ends, fighting outside pubs and clubs and taxi ranks. The TCH seems to have the opposite effect so far less anti social problems. As one user said to me, booze makes you cocky, brave, aggressive, you will take on anyone, cannabis just chills you out. Have you ever seen someone fighting stoned or described as such? Well I haven't.

On health issues, well this is where it can be a case of positives and negatives. Is it more harmful than alcohol? probably less but some would say the same. It doesn't cause all the problems associated by alcohol but can and does seem to increase the risk of cancer. It appears to make smoking more dangerous.

The effect it has on people with psychotic mental issues is negative and these sufferers should avoid it at all costs, but are highly likely to be users. Research done recently in other countries especially the USA however show it can be very beneficial in the treatment of other mental health issues especially Bipolar. In fact it is prescribed in some States for this condition and for some it is the best stabiliser treatment available. I have personally seen the benefits that smoking cannabis has over UK prescribed medicines with someone with severe Bipolar. They are better just smoking cannabis than taking what in this country we prescribe only. I am not suggesting that those with Bipolar go out and buy some, I am just passing on what I have found. I have discussed this with mental health workers in the UK and more than one have said that their patients use it and benefit from it. I spoke to one senior Consultant who was very anti cannabis but did look at what research in other countries was saying. When we next spoke he said that the results and especially what was happening in the States was a bit of an eye opener, but he couldn't do anything with it as he would be breaking the law and could not see the UK government allowing him too look into it.

I know pensioners who suffer chronic pain and were not getting relief from their prescribed drugs. Their son got them some cannabis and now they take it every night and say they are much better. We see the news and hear what benefits that it is having on children with epilepsy.

I think its not as bad as we are led to believe and a lot of research needs to be done on finding out more about it, and take on board what has already been discovered around the world. I know there is a Parliamentary group who want to see more research and the legalisation of it for social use. They have looked into the arguments and foresee legislation will be passed within 10 years, some as as little as two.

I realise that my post will not be acceptable to many but I was challenged to look at cannabis and not just accept the official line and I think its less harmful than booze on the whole and has massive potential for medical use if only those who we put in charge would open their minds. To much evidence is now available to put an end to the stigma and that its on a par with accepted alcohol and probably has much more to offer.
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Yes Steve, same as the shop near my school too.
The ice cream van that waited outside my high school sold single tabs too. U wouldn't know where to look for cannabis or any other drug for that matter, even if I wanted to
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